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Lisa, point taken. I have to wonder in amazement at the units who have adults "apply" for the position of SM or ASM and then compete for the job in interviews with the CO and Committee. In our area, a highly transient military town, that just doesnt' happen. If you can fog a mirror and pass the background check, you're in.

Circle the choice that does not fit: 1. Keep myself physically fit 2. Make ethical choices over their lifetime 3. Help other people at all times 4. Eat only Twinkies if that makes you happy - you're not MY kid I guess I see this as one of the primary purposes of Scouting...to expose kids to a proper, healthy, ethical, and moral lifestyle by teaching them to model proper behavior, regardless of what's expected of them at home. Granted, we all don't raise our kids the same way...but we were approved as leaders because it's perceived that we are good role models and teachers. If all we are is a provider of entertainment or transportation, since everything else is their parents' responsibility, then count me out.

Since we know so much about it, we should be spelling "Asperger's Syndrome" correctly....named after Austrian pediatrician Hans Asperger. And I don't buy the argument about saving money. Every June, my wife, a school nurse, would have to flush hundreds of dollars worth of Ritalin and Adderall because the parents couldn't be bothered coming in to school to pick it up. Now with the long acting drugs, she can get back to her real job rather than spending hours a day handing out pills while the kids lined up down the hall.

What adult in his/her right mind would want to be alone with a kid like this? Impulsive, disregard for rules, selfish, spoiled... what a set-up for a YP catastrophe!

It's not just a syllabus, it's a "script". It also includes posters,a CD with power point slides, and a VHS tape. When I was a trainer, I would spend a lot of time preparing handouts, flip charts, etc. If they won't give you the materials to do it right, I would politely refuse.

At our camp, youth and adults use separate facilities. Ditto what Gern said.

I believe Cooking and Swimming should be back on the required list (not optional). Also, the three 5 mile hikes for 2nd class.

There are three basic concepts to YP. 1. No one on one contact. 2. Two deep leadership. 3. Buddy system. These are minimum requirements and are not mutually exclusive, as mentioned above. If the buddy system had been enforced here, it would be explained to the scout, that if you don't go, your buddy doesn't go either because an adult can't be your buddy. That's the way it is, so the two of you work it out and let me know your decision. This is a "teaching moment" for safety, negotiation, courteous, kind, help other people, etc. If the scout can't find a buddy for the next trip, then Dad will have to attend.

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Just heard the SE being interviewed on the radio on the way home from work. He stated the "scout is a First Class Scout and has been in a little over a year and has been trained in basic hiking, camping and survival skills." Also that the leaders are "Fully qualified". Another reason for ensuring that scouts actually know the stuff before signing off their books. It may save their lives one day.

Went to an RV show last weekend...sure is tempting. Toured a $600,000 motor home.

Boy Scout missing in rugged N.C. park TRAPHILL, N.C. (AP) -- Search teams combed mountain terrain Sunday for a 12-year-old Boy Scout who disappeared during an outing. About 10 scouts and the adult leaders of Troop 230, from Greensboro, noticed that Michael Auberry was missing between 12:30 p.m. and 1 p.m. Saturday in Stone Mountain State Park, officials said. The troop had gone on a hike earlier Saturday, and the boy and an adult stayed behind, said David Bauer, a ranger with the Blue Ridge Parkway. It was not immediately clear why they stayed behind. After the troop returned and ate lunch with Michael and the adult, the troop noticed the boy was missing from camp. Searchers found part of his mess kit less than a mile away late Saturday, Bauer said. "At this point we're looking at every possibility," Bauer said. "The most probable thing is that he walked away, went out in the woods and went to investigate." Searchers were moving off the trail and into rugged terrain Sunday afternoon and were expected to suspend the search when night fell because of the risks involved, Bauer said. The boy was wearing pants, a shirt and a coat. The Sunday afternoon temperature at Mount Airy, about 25 miles northeast of Traphill in northwest North Carolina, was in the low 40s, the National Weather Service said. Stone Mountain State Park covers nearly 13,750 acres. Search crews included volunteer firefighters, National Park Service staff and rescue squads from the state park system and Alleghany and Wilkes counties. A Highway Patrol helicopter equipped with an infrared sensor that can detect body heat was sent to assist the search. (An earlier version of this story incorrectly implied the missing Boy Scout went out on a hike with his troop. He stayed behind at the camp with an adult leader.) 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Learn more about our Privacy Policy.

Anyone else getting annoying popup ads from Monster.com when logged on to SCouter.com? I don't get it while on other sites. It sure is annoying.

If the adults can't accomodate both, the boys need to choose one. It's really not fair of the District to schedule stuff last minute. Were it my troop, I think we would stick to the original plan. Our Council calendars are set for the year, so the troop can plan around it.

Ea, you're not alone. I think that's just the lot of this generation of youngsters. They love their creature comforts, which we have busted our butts to provide them. Very few scouts that I know will say they like being out in the elements. Heck, my sons (28 and 24) aren't even interested in getting married and becoming parents! My oldest says kids are a pain and too expensive (True!), and would hinder his lifestyle. My younger expressed a desire to re-register in the BSA and work with the Troop, so I paid the fee and sent in the paperwork. But every Monday night, he seems to have something better to do...like watch TV. Much less spend a weekend in the woods. For the Generation Y, it's "all about me"...they will do only what they want to do when they want to do it.

We have a rule in our council that unit leaders may NOT also serve as Commissioners. Not sure if that is a national policy or not. That rule should also apply to other district and council positions. Now there are some troops that have more ASM and MC than they have scouts. We always suggest that some of them may be better utilized at the district level.

Thanks for the insight, de4bsa. As Covey said, "Seek first to understand, then to be understood." I once entertained the idea of a career change to professional scouting. After all, what could be better than to get paid for this! I quickly realized that the role of the professional is VERY different from the role of the unit or district volunteer. The pro is first and foremost, a salesman with defined performance quotas. Don't perform, and you're history. Most volunteers don't realize the demands put on the DE and can't understand why they can't accept every invitation to a B&G or PWD, and don't have time to hang out around the coffee pot at the Camporee. Unfortunately, this is sometimes misconstrued as being unresponsive to the unit's "needs".

Ditto what Beavah said. Unit CC chairs the EBOR with committee members, one or two chosen by the scout (teacher, neighbor, friend, Pastor, etc), and a District Rep (me).

My son's first car was inherited from his grandfather...a 1987 Dodge Aries Wagon - red. His Varsity baseball coach promptly named it the "Radio Flyer"...he was mortified, but it was that or the school bus. But it was a great car for carrying his buddies and their baseball gear in the back. He was making honor roll, played varsity level sports for 4 years, working weekends, and doing Scouts to humor me, so I paid the insurance and he paid the gas. I guess I should have withheld the car until he made Eagle, because he aged out as a Star. He went on to graduate from college, and 2 weeks ago succcessfully opened his own restaurant to rave reviews. Both of my sons never gave us a lick of trouble, no drugs or booze, no pregnant girlfriends, made good grades, got their degrees, and now have good careers. If they need my help, I will do anything for them. All in all, I wouldn't change a thing. Making Eagle is not everything. YOu have to consider the whole picture. If the end result is an adult who makes ethical decisions, we've accomplished the mission.

Stay on the high road, E. I'm with you. What your friend describes is, indeed, more like a club. What comes to mind is the local YMCA. They plan the programs and offer their facilities to whomever wants to show up. The difference is, to have that available to me would cost me $55 a month for a membership. They take my money and provide opportunities. I can either go every day, once a month, or not at all. Makes no diff to them...they got my money already. What Scouting offers is training and experience in planning, leading and partaking of your own efforts. Different mission, different results. And different costs.

As OGE said...the "book version" is that the PLC develops their plan (for any activity) and presents it to the Troop Committee. The Committee should support their plan as much as possible. As the SM's prinicpal job is to guide and mentor the SPL, all details should be identified and worked out (e.g., transportation, fund raising, etc), and included in the plan. (This message has been edited by scoutldr)

One thing I find unusual is the wide disparity in pro salaries. In the govt system I'm in, a supervisor usually makes about 6-10% more than the person he supervises. If supervising blue collar workers who get overtime, the supv can earn less! In my council, the SE makes twice as much as the next guy in line, and about 4 times more than an entry level DE. Is that justified?

"Just got off the phone with our DE. I was asking if I could come to the District Committee meeting in a couple of weeks and propose an idea to have a Webelos-ree in our District." The way I understand District operations, the DE should not be deciding the meeting agenda nor deciding what will or won't be accepted as a District activity. The Program chair is in charge of activities, and the District Chairman runs the District with the DE acting as an advisor. At a District Committee meeting, the DE should sit to the side and take notes. He gets a "Professional's Minute" at the end. Now, I fully realize that this is the "book version"...rarely have I seen it work that way. Volunteers should be running the program...not the Pros.

Beans&Franks Dinty Moore Beef Stew (canned) Foil dinners

Boiling water in a paper cup directly on the fire is an old trick that will amaze most youngsters. So is cooking an egg or sausage ball in a scooped out orange shell or onion.