RememberSchiff

In part, but my understanding a higher percentage of US Gymnast victims directly reported to law enforcement to no avail. The BSA failed scouts, but Olympian Simone Biles stated in a recent Congressional hearing, "an entire system that allowed his abuse" - USA Gymnastics, the U.S. Olympic and Paralympic Committee, and the FBI. ... Advocates for the women say as many as 120 athletes may have been abused by Nassar after the FBI first heard of the charges against him. The Justice Department has not brought charges against either of the former FBI agents most closely involved in the case. The FBI fired Special Agent Michael Langeman in the last two weeks, FBI Director Christopher Wray later told the panel. Langeman's supervisor, Jay Abbott, previously resigned... I have previously stated, many times in more blunt, unscoutlike language, that all the BSA had to do was turnover all information (files) to law enforcement and let them investigate. Maybe, I was wrong. https://www.npr.org/2021/09/15/1036968966/gymnasts-nassar-fbi-senate-hearing-simone-biles-aly-raisman-wray

"The purpose of National Camping School (NCS) is to provide adults with a learning experience and training related to the operation of council camp. The key staff members will, in turn, train and supervise other staff personnel in your council camping program. Training is offered for staff members who will serve as Short-Term Camp Administrators, Day Camp Administrators, Long-term (Resident) Camp Directors, Long-term (Resident) Program Directors, Aquatics Directors, Climbing Directors, Project COPE Directors, COPE and Climbing Program Trainers, Ecology Directors, Outdoor Skills Directors, Trek Directors, and Shooting Sports Directors. " https://www.scouting.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/NCS-2022-dates-9-16-21.pdf https://www.scouting.org/outdoor-programs/national-camping-school/

Scouts: - fewer resources and opportunities, e.g., Chemistry MB might only be available every other year at another Council. Parents: - more turned off by registration pressure and time demands Scouters: - a new rare breed Units: - scouting as usual but with higher fees to above and covid issues. - more drop popcorn - some experience confusion and stress over Family Scouting. CO's: - save on utility bills as they close their doors and turn off their lights to scout units. Communities: - more community service projects. I think scout units will increase visibility. Councils: - panic mode - focus on asset management, merging, fund-raising, acting as CO's - Executive Board will recruit lawyers, finance experts, and realtors. - offloading to volunteers ( recruiting, program, training, all activity planning and execution) National: - focus on bankruptcy, legal issues, and public relations and not program or training (except YP) - offloading to volunteers - the next CEO/President/Chief Scout will be a lawyer, the second coming of James West. My $0.01

Washington state: The Inland Northwest Council’s $164,963 contribution is one of the lowest of the 250 local councils in the nation. Many contributed $2 million, and some up to $10 million. The Chief Seattle council in the Puget Sound, for example, agreed to pay $7.5 million as part of the complex settlement scheduled to be approved by creditors and the bankruptcy court sometime in October.+ ... “Our contribution to the settlement will not result in the divestiture of any of our camps or other properties being used as part of the program, and the future is bright for our council and the program,” said Steve Anderson, incoming president who is currently vice president of the council. ... Anderson is also vice president of legal affairs and risk management for the council. He has been the council’s representative during the settlement negotiations. The amounts for each council were based on assets and number of valid claims. Anderson said he could not release the number of claims they had but they were low compared to the other regions of the country. ... The council’s assets have been legally protected for years from liability claims. They are held in endowments and leases that the council doesn’t directly control. More details, an interesting read. https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/sep/16/inland-boy-scouts-council-contributes-to-national-/

I thought yours was a Sea Scout unit. Is a USCG Auxiliary unit a possibility as a CO?

Let's stay on the legal topic, some excellent information and commentary here. The rest can go in a new topic or Thanks, RS @MattR @elitts @Eagle1993 @gpurlee @T2Eagle

I fully agree with Scout Canada's vaccination decision for Canada. Canadians if not agreeable to restrictions and mandates are somewhat acclimated to months of work restrictions, travel restrictions, curfews, lockdowns at a level not approached here. It could work there, even the part where scout parents must be vaccinated. In the USA? We cannot agree to require vaccination of school children. Other than echoing government policy, what more can the BSA do? Some thoughts I think the BSA could implement a Scout Canada's policy at all their camps. If not, could 100% (confirmed) vaccinated units receive camp reservation preference? With the continuing world pandemic, Public Health merit badge will be required for Eagle.... Does President Biden's statement requiring private companies with 100+ workers to vaccinate or test weekly apply to BSA? I would think so. As I understand, the legality is connected with OSHA requirements. My $0.01,

Jersey Shore Council sells service center and Hugh C. Clayton Scout Shop building site (4 acres) to town Toms Rivers for $1M https://brick.shorebeat.com/2021/09/boy-scouts-jersey-shore-council-to-sell-4-acres-of-property-to-toms-river-for-1m/ Update 9/29/2021: Town approves purchase “I’d hate to see hundreds of additional houses if the Boy Scouts decided to sell this to a private developer,” Councilman Dan Rodrick said. https://tomsriver.shorebeat.com/2021/09/toms-river-approves-1m-purchase-of-boy-scout-property/

As I recall, the Judge commented on the size of the 72 member National Executive Board. IMHO the National Executive Council (15 member?) and National Executive Board (72 member) should be merged into 16-24 (new) member Board with clear responsibilities and powers defined in new bylaws, e.g., as USA Gymnastics has done. IMHO, National's goal going into bankruptcy was to maintain control during and after and they have - kept their executives and their camps (HA). So have as many review committees and independent experts as you want and National will see you back in court.

I hope Judge Silverstein is also reviewing USA Gymnastics settlement and reorganization. IMHO I see little real organizational change in the BSA. New boss is the old boss.

Scouting Magazine 2006 article (~ 400 consecutive months) The success of Troop 709's outdoor program is due to good planning, much of it done by the boys. And the Scouts are not averse to altering their schedule at the last minute, as they did last winter when the troop learned about an opportunity for rock climbing and cancelled the planned camp-out in favor of the new activity.... "The patrol leaders' council comes up with program ideas for the year," says former Scoutmaster Paul Newton. "They then go to their patrol members to find out what they want to do. The adults add direction to the program, [but] we try not to tell boys what to do." Each monthly event is assigned to one of the troop's 24 assistant Scoutmasters; that person has overall responsibility for the activity weekend. During the outing, even the Scoutmaster reports to the designated Scouter in charge. https://scoutingmagazine.org/issues/0610/a-wego.html

Wednesday, Sept. 15, 2021 "10:30 a.m. - U.S. District Judge Alvin Hellerstein will hold a telephonic oral argument on the Boy Scouts of America's attempt to end a trademark case brought by the Girl Scouts of the United States of America. The Girl Scouts alleged in Manhattan federal court that the Boy Scouts' rebranding as "Scouts BSA" following its decision to allow girls infringes its trademarks. The Boy Scouts moved for summary judgment last year, arguing among other things that it hasn't caused and won't cause consumer confusion, and accusing the Girl Scouts of bringing the lawsuit as part of a "ground war" over its decision to include girls. The case is Girl Scouts of the United States of America v. Boy Scouts of America, U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, No. 1:18-cv-10287. For the Girl Scouts: Bruce Ewing of Dorsey & Whitney. For the Boy Scouts: Rachel Kassabian of Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan." https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/week-ahead-intellectual-property-sept-13-2021-2021-09-10/

How has the Boy Scouts allowing girls into their organization affected the Girl Scouts, if at all? It hasn’t significantly affected us. Girls enjoy being in a girl-only organization. Our model is centered on being girl-led, learning-by-doing and cooperative learning, which resonates strongly with today’s girls. Girl Scouts remains focused on building courage, confidence and character. Marie Gieringer, CFO of Girl Scouts-Diamonds of Arkansas, Oklahoma and Texas https://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/137157/girl-scout-cfo-marie-gieringer-opens-doors-to-opportunities

Okay. I repeated your steps. In Snip and Sketch, I did ctrl-A, ctrl-C. Then in the body of the post I was trying to make, I did ctrl-V. (the Upload file gauge uploaded without error.

What is the file extension? jpg?

Oops, must have been counting with my toes after a hike.

Deer Lake Scout Reservation (CT), a 255 acre wooded camp with a mile-long spring-fed lake and trails which link to Chatfield Hollow and Cockaponset State Forests is up for sale. The private Save Deer Lake Facebook group was created just two days after an announcement was made informally last week that Connecticut Yankee Council Boy Scouts of America wanted to sell the camp., according to Ted Langevin, a scout leader, chairman of Pack 491 in Madison and member of the Quinnipiac district committee... The parcel was appraised between $3.7 million to $4.2 million. Some $2.6 million will go to the Boy Scouts of America, Langevin said, to help pay the local council’s assessed share of the $850 million sex abuse settlement signed off on by a judge in August to pay the tens of thousands of abuse victims, according to claimsjournal.com. https://www.ctinsider.com/shoreline/article/Boy-Scouts-sex-abuse-settlement-prompts-sale-of-16448346.php

The judge has approved stay removals on a case by case basis. IMHO, the judge should stand firm on the October deadline unless ...hmmm ...say a plan goes out for vote before Oct 28. If voted down then.... More of the same is self-perpetuating. My $0.02,

With a good program, a scout builds self-esteem in a low pressure environment. Safety is everyone's job, opportunities are us, and failures are allowed to achieve goals . Not everyone can be a 4.0 student (show me a 4.0 student who explored a course where less than an A was very likely) or quarterback or even on the team, not so in scouting. Not about being perfect, about being happier with your better self. My $0.02,

Here's the cake version for those lacking time to read Troop 709's story... Peter, who came from the farthest away (Charlotte, N.C.) cut the cake at perfect time… 7:09 p.m.

Let's calm down and forego the insults and ad hominem attacks. We can exchange information, experiences, opinions, and ideas in a scoutlike way. Thanks, RS

As an old fart, I have a rule regarding volunteering for committees - if the committee does not have a funded budget and I do not have a vote on its spending, I do not serve on that committee. I find it saves my time. @CynicalScouter Agree. If only the BSA did not allow any secret organizations as part ot its program and its organization. Another $0.02,

My hope in BSA restructuring is that the NEC (12 member) and NEB (72 members) will be replaced with a single real Executive Board (I like REB for an abbreviation, ) of 16-24 new members who will oversee BSA Corporate Officers and Directors. Anyone have a current list of the Corporate Officers and Directors? My $0.02,

...seems confusing to me. The National Executive Committee (NEC) is composed of salaried employee(s) of the BSA and volunteers. https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/7fa16e42-d9c3-4214-84ce-569e998048f9_5763.pdf Declaration of Devang Desai … ...I am a volunteer member of the National Executive Board (the “NEB”) and the National Executive Committee (the “NEC”) of Boy Scouts of America (the “BSA”). I have served as a member of the NEB and the NEC since May 2018 and May 2020, respectively. (in my experience, serving on both an Executive Committee and its overseeing Executive Board would not be permitted.) ... NEC. Pursuant to the BSA’s bylaws, subject to certain specified exceptions, the NEC, a twelve-member delegation of the NEB, has the duty and authority to manage the affairs of the BSA. The NEC is comprised of the National Chair, National Chair-elect, National Commissioner, Immediate Past National Chair, Standing Committee Chairs, Chief Executive Officer, and two members-at-large recommended by the National Chair or National Chair-elect. Pursuant to the BSA bylaws, as of May 2020, no member of the NEC was permitted to simultaneously serve as a member of any local council executive board. I (Devang Desai) am a member of the NEC. A current list of the members of the NEC is attached as Exhibit E. 10. The NEC includes, among others, the National “Key 3,” who are responsible for guiding the BSA organization as a whole: the National Chair (Daniel G. Ownby), National Commissioner (Scott Sorrels), and Chief Executive Officer and President (Roger Mosby). The National Chair and National Commissioner are volunteer positions. Exhibit E (page 24 of case pdf) BSA National Executive Committee Members 1.Dan Ownby (also on NEB) 2. Scott Sorrels (also on NEB) 3. Roger Mosby (employee, also on NEB) 4. Jim Turley (also on NEB) 5. Michael Sears (also on NEB) 6. Nathan Rosenberg (also on NEB) 7. Skip Oppenheimer (also on NEB) 8. Devang Desai (also on NEB) 9. Alison Schuler (also on NEB) 10. Thear Suzuki (also on NEB) 11. Jack Furst (also on NEB) 12. Brad Tilden (also on NEB) The 72-member Executive Board (NEB) is listed in Appendix B of https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/7fa16e42-d9c3-4214-84ce-569e998048f9_5763.pdf From wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Executive_Board_of_the_Boy_Scouts_of_America#Executive_committee

Visit a National Park for free! Adventure, outdoor education, and volunteer opportunities. https://www.nps.gov/subjects/npscelebrates/public-lands-day.htm