RememberSchiff

Well if adults tell kids, the group goal is to teach sailing and race, what does leadership have to do with it? Sounds like most think this group is an adult-run sailing club. If it is to be a Venture crew, the scouts need to be setting the goals. Training needed, start over. My $0.02

I disapprove of double-dipping as well. Too often, I see scouts and their parents playing the game of maximizing awards gained by applying least effort. This is contrary to the Scout Spirit - the way we live up to the ideals of scouting by helping others (not ourselves). My $0.02

This is puzzling to me too, since Humanists do not believe in God nor do they have a duty to God. Are they a religion? The Supreme Court says so, that they are " a religion that does not believe in God". Are they reverent? I'd say so. They have a deep respect for man and his reason and ethnics. Are they spiritual? They believe is the spirit of man. To be consistent, the BSA would have to drop "duty to God" from the Oath in order to allow Humanists. Regardless, I welcome them. My $0.02

Maybe there are different "wigwags" for morse code? Standing, we swung a large figure "8" counter-clockwise from top on our left side for a "dah" and on our right side for "dit". This was visible over a fairly large distance.

Dimemaker Around here the only chance to find a BSA Lifeguard course is at summer camp. I suggest you read the online Guide to Safe Scouting http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/GSS/gss02.aspx Qualified Supervision All swimming activity must be supervised by a mature and conscientious adult age 21 or older who understands and knowingly accepts responsibility for the well-being and safety of those in his or her care, and who is trained in and committed to compliance with the eight points of BSA Safe Swim Defense. It is strongly recommended that all units have at least one adult or older youth member currently trained in BSA Swimming and Water Rescue OR BSA Lifeguard to assist in planning and conducting all swimming activities. To add to le Voyageur comments - there also is no mention of ocean and surf safety and rescue. My $0.02

"She also advised me to go to Scouting.org for more information ..." In other words, she told you to get lost.

Yeah they missed a delivery date on a "nice to have" resource - a special website with fancy stuff. But that is not a "need to have" resource, as we can all either google OR like scouts did in 1911 get help from "old-timers" and go to the "public library" (what a concept). And really, how many scouts will look at that website? So we are not waiting for National to fix yet another of their websites as they have yet developed competency in that communication. Our scouts who in good faith and effort completed the published requirements whether "not-quite-official" or not, will be awarded the merit badge. We had 4 scouts just complete Carpentry. It would be nice to have a stitched mb patch for the COR at the end of the month. Forward not backward Boys from Irving. my $0.02

1959: 6th edition of Boy Scout handbook explains cathole latrine in 2 sentences, no graphics (p124). 2009: 12th edition of Boy Scout handbook explains cathole latrine (and larger latrines) on pages 249,250 with 2 graphics including a key one that shows what a roll of toilet paper looks like. What 50 years ago was common sense is now an overdone marketing campaign LNT, but heh they can make $$$ from it. Critters are smart, long ago they rebranded their "poop" as "scat" to circumvent LNT police. My $0.01

Why not a carrot approach from National? I look at the Local Permit which is a checklist of who the trained leaders are and their training (yeah there's a blip about car insurance that doesn't need to be there). If all leaders are required to be trained can the Local Permit be retired as redundant or perhaps partially be replaced by a some new for High Adventure-only Permit? Maybe a "Quality Unit" with all "Trained" leaders no longer is required to submit Local Tour Permits. Imagine a world where those who say you need a tour permit for everything or worse, arbitrarily say when and where a permit is needed, suddenly disappeared because all leaders were qualified, competent, and trusted. My $0.01 for the thought (This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

Jan, 2010 "100" issue. Follow the timeline to 1979 photo (bottom page 37). "The BSA's national office moves to Irving,Tex, after 25 years in New Jersey." Observe the flags are at half-mast in photo. Appropriate.

Agree. I don't own chaps. I put my money into buying a better, safer chainsaw for my weekend woodlot management. Maybe some day I will have the money for chaps, until then council can go hire the pros. There seems to be this attitude coming from the BSA - "We want you to volunteer your expertise and experience, BUT we want you to meet our new conditions by taking (i.e. you pay) these courses we offer, particularly the ones conveniently offered at the Philmont Training Center. Heh, bring the family." No surprise, that this turns off many able and willing adult volunteers. Maybe they expected to be treated like adults? That said it sounds like it could be a good course with the right teacher. And yes I wished I owned chaps but I will continue to cut anyway. (This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

From my experience 1. smaller cook groups replace larger patrol cooking. Smaller pots, stoves - lighter weight, takes less space. A patrol then could consist of two or more cook groups. 2. water is heavy, pack at around 2 liters at a time/scout and filter water sources along way. 3. lightweight, cheap tarps for tents to start. paracord, hiking pole 4. No lantern, use LED headlamps. If you want to backpack - equipment weight, size, and fit become more critical. Lightweight quickly goes south when a scout wears a pack too big, gets a 10lb sleeping bag and a 12 pound tent for Christmas, or as mentioned adults want their Cabela's style of camping. And you may end up car camping anyway as not everyone like backpacking. My $0.01 to start (This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

Yeah so is 230lb 5'10" fit person out of luck no matter what the equipment rating. Chart says no,so he/she can't go high adventure. Also note how once again the new Health and Medical form has changed without notice. Notice how Form C now includes a whitelist of those allowed to pickup child and a blacklist of those who are not. Form C should not be part of the annual medical rather part of the particular event permission slip. (This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

Oops, meant to say duct tape not masking tape, thanks for the correction.

1. Coffee Pot 2. Folding chair for scoutmaster 3. Masking tape (This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

Is there a work book somewhere that they need to fill out detailing exactly what they did/are doing? No. There is a Den Chief Handbook #33211B which has a worksheet in the back for completing the Den Chief Service Award. Maybe your SM is requiring completion of the Den Chief Service Award in order to grant POR credit. Not a big deal if scout did his job as den chief. Can they work with any age Cub Scouts? Yes Usually a scout will receive POR credit as a den chief if 1. SM pre-approved this position 2. DL gave a good report of den chief's attendance and performance. My $0.02,

No you can be as fat as National execs. http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/Resources/MedicalFormFAQs.aspx "The height/weight chart generally would not apply (unless your lodge, unit, district, or council says it does) in the following: o The majority of BSA resident camps, as most Cub Scout/Boy Scout resident camps (not high-adventure camps) have drive-up campsites and dont require packing in or out. o Cub Scout programs. (Backcountry and high-adventure are not age-appropriate for Cub Scouting/) o Wood Badge courses in a typical resident camp setting. Again, Philmont Scout Ranch has this requirement in place. o The 2010 National Scout Jamboree. (However, please review the Be Prepared link to review all medical risk factors, including excessive body weight.) Q. Is the height/weight chart mandatory for the 2010 National Scout Jamboree? A. No. However, if you review the risk factors on www.bsajamboree.org under the Be Prepared tab, you can see that we recommend a body mass index (BMI) of less than 30 (obese) for adult staff positions requiring moderate to high physical exertion. We recommend that youth fall within the 5th and 85th percentiles. As with past jamborees, this 100th Anniversary jamboree promises that everyone will be walking at least 5 miles per day. In order to make this the best, most exciting, fun-filled, safest jamboree ever, being prepared and in the best Scouting shape possible is a must. Youth with BMIs over the 95th percentile and adults with BMIs over 40 (morbidly obese) should reconsider participation. This subject was discussed in the January 2009 issue of Scouting magazine. Watch the jamboree newsletters and Web site for more information. "

Whenever the laws of any state are broken, or when the welfare of its citizens is endangered, each state has a duly authorized organization that swings into action. It may be called the State Militia or the State Police or the Highway Patrol. It is to these organizations, by whatever name they may be called, and wherever they may be found, that you must first contact to confirm the need of trauma bears, size of trauma bears, and their packaging. 10-4

After numerous complaints from my troop's adults, some who are leaving Scouting, I thought I would post this. Dear Santa, Please tell those 3 fat guys down in Irving (refer to your naughty list) to drop the weight chart from the new Health form as though well-intended, it has had a detrimental impact on our anniversary 2010 outdoor program and adult leadership. As you know Santa, mostly, it is the FOS (Fat Old Scouters) who are the busy, hard-working, multi-tasking volunteer elves helping kids, teaching new FOS, and donating to something else called FOS. So far this weight chart has prevented many seasoned adult leaders from participating in the very outdoor scout adventure programs which they joined to help with. In our troop, our fall canoe trip was canceled. Three great ASM (Assistant Santa Merrymakers) decided not to re-register at recharter. Two of those leaders were coordinating next summer's high adventure trip so that trip has been canceled too. And guess what Santa, standing on the sidelines has made our remaining FOS only fatter and if they don't attend neither do their kids! Please Santa, help put the fun back in Scouting by making scout activity participation a doctor and patient decision. We would also like a million Boy Scouts registered for the 100th anniversary next year. We would also like National to spend more effort and money helping save old local scout camps for those million scouts, and less time conceptualizing 'pillars' in yet another 4-year plan. Merry Christmas, we FOS south of the North Pole

A Scout family Thanksgiving story http://www.indystar.com/article/20091126/LIVING01/911260309/1083/LIVING01

GAHB - Some of us think in pictures. I agree a teacher needs subject expertise to teach no matter what the "process to teach" used or the buzzword used to name it, but do not infer that if someone is an expert implies he/she can teach. IMHO, these Train-the-Trainer, EDGE courses or whatever they are called should qualify students as subject competent first and then show them how to transfer their knowledge to scouts. Leave No Trace and Water Safety Instructor (Red Cross) use this approach. Arguments can get lost in analogies and other references. My $0.02,

Not If, but rather When and Where... My prediction - National allows CO's to decide, so some units will become coed but most will not. The public hears that Boy Scouting is going coed, hurrah, and runs down to the local unit to sign their daughters up. Unfortunately that unit is NOT integrated, er I mean does not accept girls, and the confusion, bad publicity and discrimination lawsuits begin. Another prediction, going coed adds another core incompetency to Scouting along with drug education, bullying, internet safety, special needs, religion,... sex education. This may mean another version of the Scout handbook - coed with sex ed material only for those coed units. Adult training? Maybe at Scouting university. It will be a storm, but other countries have weathered it. A good storm clears the air. My $0.02

My Norton Internet Security just notified me of a Medium Security risk from scouting.org Time: 12:14 PM Date: 11/21/2009 Intrusion: NMap Xmas Scan Intruder: documents.scouting.org(209.246.150.189) Risk Level: Medium Protocol TCP Attacked Port: 1877 I would notify the webmaster or IT dept at National if I knew how. Please pass along info if you can. As often stated here, a contact list on the National website would be helpful. I have seen diferent info on this scan attack from it just probing for open ports to something more.

"Besides, as far as I can tell, the only thing a man can teach a boy that a woman can't is how to pee standing up." Another urban myth. Moms teach their little boys to pee standing up. Why? Self interest, they want the lid raised before and dropped after! Now, a man can teach a boy to pee his name. Easier to track boys hiking in the snow as a dog, as everyone knows, cannot pee his own name Rover. YP prohibits this now. Probably just as well, the schools don't teach cursive penmanship anymore. I remember when and compare with the realities of now. I welcome women and am thankful for their help, particularly Lisabob I wish more men stepped up. I see "Boy Scouting" becoming Scouting in 5 or 10 years. That new movie "Old Dogs" opens next week, as I understand the storyline includes a coed young scout group going to camp. My $0.02(This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

I see more local camps closing. Yet a big box, high adventure camp opens. The economics of this escapes me. All of my scouts attend local scout camps, fewer than 5% go to high adventure camps. Is high adventure camp attendance up? Local camp attendance is flat as membership continues to drop. Will opening this camp cause the nearby, smaller council high adventure camps (Maine, Cape Cod, ...) to close? I wonder. My $0.01, (This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)