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I think the solution will be use camp staff instead of parents, just like competitor camps.

With family needs, work needs, and health problems it is getting harder to supply troop adults for camp and those that can come can only stay for 1 or 2 days.

That is an interesting thought @CalicoPenn. I wonder if he would prefer Scouting in Israel ?

Israeli (Hebrew) scouts (Tzofim?) have been coed for years. They are international, they have units in US. Not unusual, the BSA has units abroad.

As I understand, part of the Hebrew scout program prepares their boys and girls to serve in the Israeli Defense Forces.

Ah, get a large group of adults doing "nothing" and they want to do something. ..and then they "think" this something must involve their scouts. A previous unit became an Adult Outing Club in this manner. They decided the outing program and not PLC. Had over 20 ASM's!

My advice to SPL is make sure you keep your adults busy and out of the way. 

3 hours ago, TAHAWK said:

What words did I "put in your mouth"?  You are certainly free to extract them, with the assistance of anyone else here who feels inclined.

With the new software is there still a 1 hour time limit on members for editing your posts?

If you need moderator assistance let us know. 

Still kicking the tires but definitely an improvement. I particularly like the new up,down, haha, confused, sad voting system and the ability to change your vote.

Visually pleasant on pc and particularly cell where I was previously resizing windows and fonts.  Moderator control has still not been centralized onto one screen.

Under Browse Tab:  I don't know if there is a need for  Leaderboard and Calendar. I posted a Calendar event.

Under Feed Tab: Search HUUUUGE improvement and it looks like long  past content (to 2004?) has been restore and nicely formatted. Nicely Done!

All for now. Thanks for the software update.

RS

If someone is Banned or pegged as a Spammer why aren't they immediately logged out?

Glad no one has mentioned JTE yet.

Welcome to scouter.com. With the new software,  we are a little like a den meeting at the moment.

I "split" the "Quality Control" responses to a new topic. Sorry for the confusion and clumsiness on my part.

And I split off Tampa Turtle's parents and AT hike conundrum.

Actually I split if off as a separate topic. I had to do it one response at a time. Much more difficult than spinning off topics in previous software. Or maybe I am just doing it the hard way?

Breaking up is hard to do!

Why do BSA units have to recharter to National each year, but National does not have to recharter with the federal government? 

Did Congress miss a revenue opportunity? Would Congress take more interest in "paid" charters?

45 minutes ago, Tampa Turtle said:

...BUT to pull this thread back on track...what I think SOME of it represents is IF BSA is going to inject new things like BSA4G and 'Family Camping' THEN they need to DOUBLE DOWN on the traditional, outdoor oriented, mixed age patrol, youth led method or Scouting will lose it's way as some experienced folks leave (as I am seeing locally) and they are replaced by less experienced new folks.

I agree. and have seen it.  Our solution has been our SM selects who comes, another tool he uses is a Family outing is not Scout outing - no advancement, lets just go have fun. No parents chasing after PL's or ASM's to sign-off.

Another $0.02

Moved (called Split with this software) to new topic.

7 minutes ago, WisconsinMomma said:

 Someone should request / recommend an update of this badge,

At least one person did along with the suggestion about allowing parents to act as MBC (just like Cub Scouts) for this merit badge after all their house.

Why not just limit adult participation?  Our SM decides which adults go on hikes, campouts, not CC or Troop Committee.

Argh. That requirement needs some rethinking.  Time to be disobedient and change requirements.

When I counseled this mb, I asked scouts what needed fixing at their house and then told them what needed fixing at my house. Plenty of tasks as we get a house ready for winter. So a list was made like the following and we went from there. 

replace furnace filter

replace batteries on fire/smoke alarms

weatherstrip door/windows

replace door bell

replace door locks

replace light fixture

install under sink water filter <-- scout learned about town water quality

install dishwasher  <--- yes I had a scout remove old dishwasher and install replacement.  Scout was happy, Mom was thrilled.

install kitchen under cabinet lights

replace warped cabinet shelves

fix door closing problems

attach TV stand, dressers, etc to walls or floor to prevent fall-over <--  very popular.

install child-safe house features

My $0.02,

P.S.  If it ain't broken don't fix it. 

On 11/28/2017 at 1:39 AM, TAHAWK said:

B.S.A. is one of many Scouting organizations that appeared in the U.S.A. after BP's books hit the streets in January, 1908, and hardly the first.  I would be surprised if B.S.A. could say which troop was the first started under its auspices or first chartered with it, but the first Scout troop predtaed the B.S.A.  Ninwty-nine troops were in existence in the area that became the Cleveland District of B.S.A. when B.S.A. arrived in Cleveland in 1912, including five claiming to be Cleveland Troop 1.

 

The 1st Glasgow Scout Group in Scotland holds the earliest known registration certificate, dated 26 January 1908, issued by the Scouting Association.

 

"Burnside, in south-central Kentucky, is believed to be home to the first Boy Scout troop in the United States. In 1908, two years before the Boy Scouts of America was officially organized, Mrs. Myra Greeno Bass organized a local troop of 15 boys, using official Boy Scout materials she had acquired from England. A sign at the edge of town declares Burnside "Birthplace of Boy Scouts of America", and an official state historical society marker commemorates the troop.  Burnside is now part of the Blue Grass Council.

Boy Scouts of America Troop 1 in Frankfort, Kentucky was established in 1909 by Stanley A. Harris. There has been a long-standing belief that this was the very first Boy Scout troop in the United States. ...  Troop 1 was originally formed under the British Boy Scouts and the charter was destroyed in a fire around 1920. Nonetheless, Troop 1 is still active and is sponsored by the First Christian Church of Frankfort, Kentucky."

So the first US scoutmaster was Mrs. Myra Greeno Bass? 

I like that we can now change our votes.

Still kicking the tires.

IMHO disappointed. I think he expected the world to a be a better place because of Scouting.

Ah you want local option.

This software is a surprise to me as well. Another blog that I frequent made a similar upgrade to improve mobile viewing.

Give it a try. I like that members can now change their votes and there are more vote choices - up, down, haha, confused, sad.

Welcome to scouter.com

When I read Judge Pregerson quote, I began to recall some 60's campfire discussions about Vietnam and the draft we would be facing in a few years. The minimum voting age was not yet 18.

There are many, more current examples of protest in America. IMO some discussion of peaceful and respectful protest should be part of Citizenship in Nation.

Scouts have seen that writing to their representative often results in a canned response. Two of our scouts had the same written response to two different concerns.

Our scouts have discussed NFL players taking a knee during National Anthem and whether it is respectful, focused, and the proper venue. Those who play high school football know they will be removed from the team. Some interesting discussions.

We also had a discussion of President Trump's visit to Summit. If you attended a that speech and disagreed, do you boo (as scouts at previous Jambo), quietly remain out of respect for the President, quietly leave, or something else.

My $0.02,

On the other paw, BSA has held up Dr. Martin Luther King as an example of proper values.  He is all over the NYLT syllabus.  He got his Nobel Prize for ....  leading a campaign of civil disobedience against racial laws.  Message?

I was not aware of that. Why not in Citizenship in Nation?

Does Citizenship in the Nation cover Civil Disobedience in it's teaching or do they ignore it.

Civil disobedience is not covered, but IMHO it should be.

Hmm.  I think the examples you give show that Change #2 does not necessarily follow Change #1 by "a few years."  "Den Mothers" were first introduced in 1932, and 56 years later there were female Scoutmasters.  That's an awfully long time for someone to walk through a crack in the door.  (And I realize there were some interim steps along the way like women becoming troop committee members, but 56 years is still a long time.)  Then, from the "crack in the door" in 1988, it will be 30 years (2018) before non-Venturing female youth members walk through the door.  Also a long time.

My point was the crack naturally opens wider because there is a crack. Time is relative.

I thought some of the comments on the video like the one "what can I do this year to integrate girls to my troop" was exactly what some folks were concerned about. Those folks will be lauded by National for rolling things out ahead of time and if some girls get credits for camping outside of BSA they will look the other way if it produces a feel good story. 

Agree. I was taken aback by the answer to the last question, "22. The change is happening. How can we encourage other Scouters to embrace it?"

If I can paraphrase the answer 'Talk about it and you will come around.'  

I was expecting an answer such as, Good scouts and scouters may disagree on this issue as they may on any other issue but  all of us will follow the Scout Oath and Law.

We know, or think we know, the first Eagle Scout, the 2 millionth Eagle Scout, the 100 millionth Boy Scout but the first

Boy Scout

First Class scout

Sea Scout

Scoutmaster

Den Mother

Robotics Merit Badge counselor

Troop  ( quite a few arguments)

Pack

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