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    Yeah, besides Cruz, Rand Paul was doing a little pandering on his own in order to stay in good graces with the 'nutters.. Your right Packsaddle there are always these types, always have been, always will be on both the right and the left.. Question is, do you ignore them, or let them steer the ship..
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    But, one religion does not have the right to dictate to another religion what their religious beliefs should be.. So, you in your religion can do what you want within your CO's units, but you do not have the right to force the units that belong to the Methodists or the United Church of Christ or the Episcopalian or the Unitarian Universalists etc, etc, etc, what their beliefs should be.. Even when the change is incorporated (Which it will be someday).. Your churches will still have the right to decide for yourself who is and who is not a good role model.. So as with a prostitute, a Wise-c
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    I am not quite sure where you are going with this question, but if it is to somehow answer my question of "Are you saying that there is no point to believing in a God if you can't ostracize gays from not only your churches' activities but are unable force other groups to do the same against their will?".. Is the bully the homosexuals (I would imagine that might be your perspective).. For me the bully would be the religions who are forcing their religious beliefs onto CO's who not only do not believe in their viewpoint, but find the viewpoint being forced upon them to be the immoral one..
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    Absolutely not, what I am saying is the religions that are against Gays, have got to learn to respect the beliefs of the religions(and those with a belief system which is not tied to any organized religion) that are not and allow them to choose their adult leaders based on their beliefs.. Are you saying that there is no point to believing in a God if you can't ostracize gays from not only your churches' activities but are unable force other groups to do the same against their will?
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    Well in BSA a prostitute, stripper, adulterer, any heterosexual living in sin as well as a host of other sins could all be adult leaders.. It is up to the CO to decide if they feel the adult will make a good leader or not regardless the sins they are currently commiting.. It is just murderers, child molesters, gays and atheists that are automatically not accepted.. The murderers and child molesters are agreed on by all.. The atheists have a little support.. The gays though is where there is enough support that it should be up to the CO to decide if a gay adult leader is acceptable or not.. F
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    Who knows maybe the USA is still spinning and the civilized world has stopped?? (just kidding) The problem is that there are now many people and religions that believe ostracizing gays goes against being moral.. In order for BSA to again be a non-denominational organization, they have to find a way for each religious denomination and other non-religious CO's to be able to teach the scouts what they believe is moral.. Currently in order to do that they have to make a choice to either disregard rules of the BSA or treat people in what they believe is an immoral way in front of the
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    Thanks Stosh - Pretty much what I said, North was not lily white, but defiantly better then the South. Also points out what I also believe, that even today there is still a need to improve. I will admit that I did believe it was getting better (both north & south) with each generation, until all the crap in the news the last 2 months.. Yes, the north was better then the south, but never perfect.. As I said the North did not have the resources to absorb the number of people who migrated up from the South, and it did cause racial tension because it put a strain on housing availability an
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    Boy your on a roll this morning AZ... Was there a reason for two different threads that will spark similar comment, rather then putting them in the same thread? Wasn't Zach Wahls the one who dropped a huge signature petition off a few years back sometime just before the vote that allowed young gays in the program? From what I remembered I don't think he was gay himself, but was raised by two lesbian mothers and went through scouting all the way to Eagle although his parents couldn't be adult leaders. This seems like a worthy cause, but I believe they will need to raise lots more to mak
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    Interesting, I was expecting National to apply pressure on the Council until they removed him. I remember some article a few years back of a camp councilor with a similar background of having grown up in BS, and having worked at the camp for years.. I don't remember if he had just come out, or if National had just got wind of it or what, but the council was pressured until they removed him.. I don't think with NY investigating them, they will do the same thing in this case though.
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    Well at least that way NJ doesn't have to break from banging his head to eat.. Just keep on banging.
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    Is this our queue to switch to the appropriate methods of first aid, because I don't think NJ is doing it right..
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    Yes, we don't buy new.. But, try for a good car only a few years old from those who have money to burn and rotate them constantly.. So, car color isn't as important to me as it being a good heavy sturdy car with comfortable room.. That way I can slide around on icy winter streets and bounce off of snowbanks like a pinball...
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    Sorry ! I'm not that up on the difference of the accent, and it seemed the type of dry humor the English is famous for..
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    Delinquent ?? Ok, Ok car is silver.. Not white, not black, nor yellow, nor red.. So I am not sure if anyone has a bias against silver..
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    Packsaddle - Ahh, Ahh, Ahh, you can call the policewoman who stopped and took pictures and a report (in triplicate, I am sure).. I appreciated the tiny trickle of water on the side of the road, somewhere between water runoff & a real brook.. But, I just watched it and listened and it had a calming effect as I waited an hour & ahalf for a tow truck (one came in an hour, but AAA didn't tell them my wheel fell off, and the truck needed 4 wheels to tow it, so they had to call in someone else. I also noted that the first 20 to 30 minutes almost every other car stopped to ask if I needed h
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    Yes, some of the English comedy is great.. Yes, I guess they redesigned my car on Monday so that my front falls off..
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    Sorry Stosh, you can romance the good ol' South all you want with the benevolent masters. There are too many accounts of life not so great for the slaves by first hand accounts from people who were slaves themselves and from whites who were sickened by what they witnessed.. Maybe the head of the house did see them as valuable, it would not stop him from breaking up families and selling them, or torture that would teach the rebellious one his place and make an example of him for the other slaves so that they would not follow suit.. There was also brutal ways they would attempt in order to frig
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    You lost me with the South were not as racist as the north, because they associated with blacks more... I don't think association in a master/slave relationship made them not racist.. Buying and selling negros, splitting up families, breeding them like horses or cattle to improve the stock, raping, torture, killing, making them grovel and bow to their white superiors.. Argument for slavery showed their racist beliefs when they argued why the were inferior.. It does not matter how much they associated with blacks, they did not associate with them as equals.. Also when slavery was abolished, th
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    Sorry, I didn't return yesterday.. I had a problem of trying to drive my car on 3 wheels when my front driver side wheel fell off.. Good news is the service center that worked on my car (caliber, brakes, rotors and tire change from winter to all-season) on Monday has accepted responsibility so all will be fixed free of charge including body work. Thanks Packsaddle.. Yes, when I quoted Darwin on his thoughts about Slavery it was a web page that showed several excerpts from his letters that was very illuminating.. http://commondescent.net/articles/darwin_on_race.htm .. I agree with the perso
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    Merlyn, you first say atheists do not use evolution as a reason for not believing in God, then you say human evolution is your proof there is no God... Seems you are contradicting yourself and I will give Stosh one point "ding"... Still what atheists use or don't use to prove their points really has no baring on whether a religious person can find no fault with the science of evolution, because atheist color their views totally different then religious people do..
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    Glad you edited that, I read it last night but it was so late my mind was gone, all I thought was "Well, if Packsaddle said..... ", Then after sleep I was thinking "Wait a minute, Packsaddle's statement with no backup makes it no better then anyone else's all over the internet..".. Because of all these suppositions about the man, I appreciate quotes by Darwin himself.. Still this statement by Darwin leaves questions.. It shows he moved to this belief as he aged.. And what does he mean by "but not always" ? Now, Stosh would say that meant on occasion he was atheist.. I on the other hand
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    Stosh - I might have missed the meaning behind your statement "We're talking about how honorable this anti-Christian racist is in our world today and how he has championed the "The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life" Not really a Dali Lama, Martin Luther or St. Francis type of guy", That is if Merlyn is interpreting it right that you feel Darwin was all for slavery or white superiority.. I would say for the times, he was not.. Here are some of his own personal words on the subject. As for his being a atheist some say "yes", some say "no" some say converted to
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    And what's wrong with a moose hat ??? I am deeply offended !!
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    funny, I just caught up on the thread about singing for lost items, and that also had a referenced to the evolution topic, then I came to catch up on this one.. Seems that topic is migrating into a lot of other threads..
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    Well I am not convinced that all singing is bullying, just that it could easily fall into that category.. But, I do agree that bullying can at least be as damaging as physical abuse (not sure if I would say worse then sexual abuse).. I hope today's BSA is more attentive to bullying then they were about 13 or 14 years back.. They would jump for any mention of physical or sexual abuse, but when I went to the DE about bullying in the troop that we were now moving our son out of in a hope to prevent the continuing of it with other scouts, I was surprised by the rule that the DE would need comp
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