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1 hour ago, CynicalScouter said:

But on the other hand, the mods of the largest BSA subreddit "over there" have all but removed ANY information

I've never even gone to the reddit website. Is the BSA forum (sub reddit, I guess) officially BSA, tightly associated, or is it more like here with a bunch of volunteer moderators? 

Welcome to the forum, @100thEagleScout

7 hours ago, ThenNow said:

I had no idea. My apologies. I was following what looked like a clean lead, but was a false trail. Maybe you should direct me to the rules, bitte.

I'll see if Tim Kosnoff will post it for me. JK!!

Try this thread, last post:

And yes, a bit hidden, so that just means lots of people get bit by this and, well, we're not angry.

This was put in because sarcasm rarely moves any discussion forward.

19 minutes ago, ThenNow said:

Oops! I take it all back...

I beat you to it. Per forum rules, posting media that has nothing to do with the topic will be removed.

Do a search on "bsa scout council Los Angeles or OC" and find their websites.. Councils are broken into districts and the council website should have calendars and contacts for the districts.

Good luck. Sounds fun

4 hours ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

Isn't his commentary contempt of court?

I sure don't see how it helps his clients or his place "at the table. " 

2 hours ago, ThenNow said:

I’m thinkin not. There are tons of great ideas on YP in here, including MYCVAStory’s most recent. Surely all of those good ideas would’ve made their way into a Plan, no? [wink, wink]

Maybe we can get them to come forward and introduce themselves. 

I agree that a YP plan could, if it's done right, help in so many ways, but the details are likely difficult. BSA's program quality has always been an afterthought and if there's one thing I've learned about quality it's that it has to be a driving factor in most decisions. Whether it's manufacturing, software, youth protection or the patrol method, quality has to be front and center. It's a mindset of constant improvement. The current YP program doesn't have this. 

JTE is an attempt at improving program quality but there's nothing that suggests it has helped. Understanding why could help with improving both YP and program quality.

That's my 2 cents for national and the TCC. If either has received this message then please create an account with a name based on the scout song "one fat hen and a couple of ducks." Your mission, should you decide to accept it .... 

3 hours ago, ThenNow said:

Do any of you know why that is?

Who knows, maybe they're wasting too much time glued to scouter.com to find out what's going on.

28 minutes ago, mrjohns2 said:

The scary thing is, maybe they don’t need to. Are their camps in surrounding councils that can? Then that may be the path forward. 

I hope that any plan includes how far scouts are from these camps and how many scouts they can hold. The furthest council camp from my house is about 7 hrs and it's mostly interstate.

2 hours ago, RobertCalifornia said:

Just glancing through the council assets, I was a bit surprised that a lot of camps were unrestricted.

How can you tell if it's restricted? I couldn't find the description of letter codes that went with each camp.

4 hours ago, UKScouterInCA said:

My father was a Scoutmaster in post WW2 inner city Bristol. This was a city that was pretty much leveled by bombing and poor areas of the city were incredibly deprived. He saw Scouting as the perfect vehicle to give these kids opportunities that were completely inaccessible to them, to be in nature and the outdoors and learn life skills and leadership, respect for others and reverence for the institutions and natural world around him.

I wish I could understand how he did that. If there's anything that could help scouting it would be to replicate that here. There have been attempts in the BSA but most have failed. 

2 minutes ago, ThenNow said:

As I understood their argument, they allege the BSA is allowing false claims in hopes such alleged people jump at the chance to get the $1500 "take it and run" offer, thereby inducing them to vote for the BSA's plan. I believe that's it...

I understand that part. It's the evidence I'm wondering about. What's the proof that the BSA accepted false claims, given that they did complain about the intake process.

11 minutes ago, qwazse said:

But I do think that knocking something that is 90% to 99% effective because it is not 100% effective

What do you mean by "knocking"? Punishment for a crime? Are you saying there should be no punishment for the crimes? 

My guess is your fear is that this will destroy scouting? If so, that's a very different topic. This one sounds like a statistical argument as to why the whole thing should be dropped. Getting back to my human dignity argument so many pages ago, that's not anything I'd get behind.

2 hours ago, Eagle1993 said:

Note that Century has accused the BSA of allowing thousands if not tens of thousands of false claims to remain on the books.

Is there any explanation as to why Century made this accusation? Standalone, it sounds far fetched.

Okay, it's pinned.

@ThenNow, If you go to the home page you'll see that the forum is composed of numerous sub forums. This thread is in the issues and politics sub forum (why, I don't know but it is). Anyway, if you click on the I&p sub forum there is a list of threads sorted by last mod date, except for those pinned, which are kept at the top of the list.

High Adventure trip anyone? What are the prettiest couple hundred miles with plenty of camping.

Is this one of those start in Florida in March and get to the end before fall gets too cold.

1 hour ago, ThenNow said:

Hopefully others will continue to be attracted to the thread title and venture in.

I'm assuming it would help survivors when they're ready to talk, to whatever level they're comfortable with. You were the first to have the courage to speak up and there have been a few more since.

We can pin the thread so it stays visible when people look through the forums. Just let me know if you think that would help.

2 hours ago, ThenNow said:

Would you consider reposting this on the main Chapter 11 Part 175 thread?

It would likely get lost in that thread, especially in the next few days. 

If I could I'd set up a sub thread for everything related to the bankruptcy to keep some of the many subjects cohesive, but I don't have those powers.

41 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said:

So BSA is saying their current offer is better than what would be provided if the entire BSA is liquidated.

How is that possible?

56 minutes ago, SSScout said:

Some years ago, I bought a pair of Bundeswehr  (german army) winter trousers from my "surplus " store.  

You must have gotten the newer ones. Mine have no elastic. I do find the buttons difficult to work when it's cold and I really gotta go, but wool is great in the snow while active. Mine cost $15 army surplus but the price went up once everyone realized how great they are for snowshoeing.

But, back to rain. It's all about breathability. I'd think the skirt with summer weight gators might do the trick. 

Interesting. I'm always more comfortable in snow than rain. Now I know why. 

15 minutes ago, Eagle1970 said:

I had an odd thought, last night.  Since there will never be enough money to compensate victims for what we have gone through, how about if BSA sets aside and maintains a network of local and national campgrounds for the sole use of survivors? 

I had the same thought months ago. If it could help then I'd be in favor.

Not sure about the electrical hook ups, though

Unfortunately, any feedback is just speculation. We don't know. 

2 hours ago, AMRC18 said:

It's interesting to note that the Webelos shoulder knot originates from the Rover Knight shoulder knot, with the colors of the 3 sections (yellow for cubs, green for boy scouts, and red for Rovers).

Fun fact. Thanks.

@MGinLA, welcome to the forum and, uh, sorry about losing your first post.