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WDleader, The Baloo sylabus I recieved from National Supply five months ago is #34163A with revision date 2002. LongHaul

ccjj, As Webelos Transition Coordinator I find that mind set more than I'd like. Waiting until the end of the Webelos II year to introduce the Den to the Troop is not "transitioning". The environment you describe is one of the leading factors for boys dropping out of Scouting in the first year. One they are not being made to feel that the Troop really wants them and is anticipating their joining. Two they are not being made to feel that they, the Webelos Den, have made a place for themselves in this troop. Three the New Scouts are not seen as recruits but as draftees. The Troop do

CNYScouter, WOW! You ask tough questions, what are you an educator? Unraveling your question isn't as easy as it should be. Starting with the CO; the CO either applies to charter a Ship or a Crew that is written out on the Charter application. Yes they could apply to charter a Crew and still use the Sea Scout Advancement IN SOME COUNCILS. The difference is whether your Council has a specific Sea Scouting Professional Advisor. The Program to be delivered is up to the CO as with any Scout Unit, the CO sets the guidelines. Because this is a new unit, it would make the most sense if the CO ch

MaScout, The requirements in Sea Scouts are a little more specific than in Boy Scouts. The requirement is to attend 75% of your ship's meetings and special activities for...... So unless you consider summer camp to be a special ship activity it wouldn't count. The requirement does not say be active with your ship it says attend 75% for your ships meetings and special activities. Actually it depends on how many meetings a week or month the ship has. The scout would not be able to blaze through advancements one right after another but would have ample opportunity to advance even wi

The CPR Switch skit we do goes like this. Two scouts are walking along and come upon a scout holding his chest and hardly breathing. The distressed scout collapse and the other two begin CPR and mouth to mouth resuscitation. After about two compression and breath cycles the scout giving compressions says in cadence with his compressions; I'M GETTING TIRED LET'S SWITCH ALRIGHT (compression) (compression) (compression) READY ON THREE (compression) ONE TWO THREE at this point all three scouts change places. The distressed scout gets up and the scou

Beavah, So even though the boy has completed his POR requirement you feel it would be appropriate to make him re do it in the Ship. The whole 6 months or just part? How about the tenure, but I guess if he has to redo the POR then he'd automatically redo the 6 months active. Would you accept all his merit badges of would he have to redo some of those too? A scout is trustworthy but Scouters are another thing eh? If a boy transfers to you troop from another troop does he have to redo all ranks or just the parts he has completed for the current rank he is working on? LongHaul

CNYScouter, I am not a Venturing Crew advisor, nor do I play one on TV. According to the Advancement Policies and Procedures as long as a boy has received First Class Rank while registered with a troop he can continue to work toward Eagle Rank while in a Venturing Crew. The requirements are the same. As to the POR question, once the requirement is fulfilled a scout should not be required to re do the requirement because he changes units. If the POR has been satisfied, it has been satisfied. As to question 2, the requirements for advancement within a Venturing Crew for Venturing Rank,

As John-In-KC says it's a "YP" thing but it is also a Risk Management thing. Adult leaders at the unit level are the responsibility of the CO. Adult leaders registered outside a CO Chartered unit are the responsibility of the Council. Whether or not the background checks are actually done is another question but annual applications are required. When a unit re charters, the CO is supposed to reassess the acceptability of all the adult leaders in it's units and the COR then either accepts the rechartering of these individuals or strikes them from the charter. The Council is required to do

Webelos Camp! Webelos I and Webelos II. I also teach WLS and OLSWL and teach that camping with a troop should begin with the Webelos I program. I encourage the Webelos Leaders to camp with more than one troop over the course of the Webelos I program so the boys can see the difference in troop programs available to them. I know many troops feel that a Webelos Den is their "feeder" den and all the boys should be graduated into their troop but this is supposed to be about the boys not the units. Allowing the boy to find the program he likes and will stay with IMO is the important thing. In

Try www.macscouter.com/songs my boys tend to lean toward the gross lists 1 and 2 LongHaul

Vicki, My response was to the supposition that "it would be resolved in the boy's favor". If National said NO! and you thought the boy should get the rank then what? My statement was that you could get a badge and give it to him but it would not be registered at National. I think "death bed" Eagles are more common then a lot of people think. With the way our council makes mistakes in data entry I can't believe this doesn't happen and that is why we are told to make sure we don't end up in a position where we have to argue about dates. It's hard enough when it's clerical error withou

Hunt, We both know you can count and that is why you picked the August 30 date for the BOR. 182 days in grade would require the next BOR to be March 2. Saying that it would be resolved in the boys favor requires belief that National would use common sense which is often an oxymoron in the Corporate World. We are not dealing with human beings here we are dealing with software. If the computer will not print out an Eagle Certificate it will not print out an Eagle certificate. You can award the badge but it still won't be registered at National. We can speculate all we want it will not

Hunt, According to what I've been told you can't straighten it out because the computer program simply will not accept the correction. The program will not accept two BOR dates for the same rank for the same boy and will not delete a BOR that has been already entered. We've been advised not to take the chance and use the 182 days as opposed to "six months". If you use TroopMaster it has the same programming, 182 days equals six months, except that you can change dates, but you can't get the program to accept advancement with only 181 days in rank or for POR. Supposedly Scout Net can

Scout Net is not a tool for troop use it is the name of the soft wear National uses to record registration and advancement. According to what I've been told by my council the soft wear does not recognize "six months", it was written to recognize 182 days as the equivalent of six months and that is the way it counts tenure. The soft wear can not be altered by those using it and National isnt going to do a rewrite. Unless you get confirmation from National in writing I for one would not risk a scout's Eagle application being refused for failure to have enough time in grade to qualify for adva

Bill, Could be normal for your troop. There is a thing called the New Scout Patrol which is designed to prevent the exact scenario you describe. Its not used by all troops and apparently not by yours. In troops using the NSP method patrol leaders are often rotated until each member has a chance to fill the position and experience the responsibilities. After that a permanent PL is elected. To answer your initial question Id have to know more about how your troop is run. Who decided the make up of the patrols the PLC or an adult or group of adults? If your son is to remain a mem

In reading this thread I noted that no one commented on the fact that the Scoutmaster's Key no longer exists. It's now a Scouter's Key and can be earned by Scoutmasters, Varsity Coaches, Venturing Crew Advisors, Skippers, District Committee members, and Commissioners. http://usscouts.org/awards/scouterkey.html Each wears a particular device denoting program area in which the award was earned. LongHaul(This message has been edited by LongHaul)

Ed, That was my point exactly 23 updates of which 3 were actual changes in policy. Whitewater safety was a complete rewrite and the regualtions for Venturing Program use of fire arms was changed significantly, the first change listed had gone into effect on Jan 1, 2006 and was a change in policy, other than those three the other changes IMO were totally unnecessary and a waste of time and money. It seems that wording was changed to justify expense of having a Risk Management Firm look the thing over, which was the reason given for the rewrite. I just don't see how the rewording change

I'm posting this in Issues and Politics becsue I think it is one and involves the other. In a thread in the Cub Scout section Scoutnut posted a link to the changes in the GTSS. http://www.scouting.org/pubs/gss/gssay.html I pointed out that the on line version had not been actually updated and was in fact still the same as #34416E. Well it turns out we were both right! The on line version has been updated but not all the changes have been made, maybe its a human error. I picked up a copy of the new GTSS #34416 the letter denoting revision has been dropped again. In comparing the #34416E edition

` As Lisabob has said there can be an issue if a boy is held back or double promoted in school. My youngest was double promoted twice, get's it from his mother I guess, but we kept him with his age group in Cubs. He was academically gifted but maturity wise he was challenged. He was kind of a Baby Huey with brains. I talked with our DE and his superior about this and as long as he was not past 11 years 6 months he could still be in Cubs no matter what his grade in school. I don't know if this is written anywhere but that's how we did it. There was a question with another scout that had b

Just a FYI type thing, Lisabob says that "I'm guessing we're not dealing with graduating 5th graders" Isn't it ironic that if we were talking about graduating fifth graders we could allow them an additional 6 months past their 11th birthday or graduation from 5th grade, which ever is later, to remain in the Pack and complete requirements before graduating into Boy Scouts, but from Wolf to Bear we are talking weeks. LongHaul

mbscoutmom, Technically, I said technically, the boys "graduate" when they complete their school grade or have a birthday. Wolves are in second grade or 8 years old. Technically once they complete second grade or turn 9 they become Bears, rank achievement not withstanding. There is stipulation for Webelos who want to remain in the pack past completion of fifth grade, I hope that is not the case here. If you allow the Boys to work on rank over the summer when will it be awarded and how? Will you be creating a precedent for future dens who want to graduate at the end of summer i

Packsaddle, Turn the page. Special Regulations in my copy of the Insignia Guide (2005)it's page three. Third bold heading; Badge Swapping. I reprinted the entire paragraph word for word. It says that Article X of the Rules and Regs forbids "holding" of badges you didn't earn. I heard this before when an adult wanted to put together a collection of Eagle rank insignia and their foreign equivalents as a gift for a Scouter who had mentored more Eagles than I can count in over 60 years of continuous service. He was "retiring" due to health reasons, he had a number of heart attacks and

CNYScouter, It may not seem so at first but I'm sure you know that it is easier to teach proper technique in the beginning than to correct improper technique down the road. Don't stumble out of the blocks. LongHaul

Scoutldr, I've missed the point of your last post. I don't think anyone has disputed the text you quoted. I've re-read my post and don't see where I could have led you to think I was advocating a unilateral decision. I'm asking how the deciding body can equate "as demanding of effort as the regular requirements." How would you make that decision if you were on the committee? The person requesting the alternate requirement submits alternate requirement possiblities but how do you make the decision as to what qualifies? LongHaul (This message has been edited by LongHaul)

I'm sure someone has posted this before but looks like it needs to be repeated. Insignia Guide 2005 (don't have the 2006 if it's different Please let me know) Page 3 Badge Swapping; Boy Scouts and Venturers attending jamborees may swap among themselves articles and novelties of a local or regional nature. The swapping of such items as badges of office, rank, distinguished service, training, performance, achievement and distinction, however, is a violation of Article X of the Rules and Regulations of the Boy Scouts of America, forbidding the holding of these badges by any but the members who ha