LongHaul

nldscout, God forbid you should find yourself in a leadership position when a youth is killed or seriously injured. I think you will find that the National Liability insurance is more for the protection of National than the individual leader. Many illusions are shattered when "something" happens and "someone is going to pay" replaces friendly, courteous and kind. One thing that remains constant is "Be Prepared". LongHaul

I remember an incident where a young man who would "slip" on occasion "slipped" while in ear shot of a young girl he liked very much. He was talking to a group of guys and she was standing near by with a group of girls. The look on her face and the realization of the damage done in his was apparent from across the room. The adults who saw this knew something had happened but we were to far away to have heard the actual utterance. The Scoutmaster Minute could address the concept of becoming comfortable with "socially unacceptable language" until you slip at the wrong time and find out how u

Please excuse any misspellings or punctuation I can hardly see through the tears and my sides ache from laughter. I've just related the following story to my significant other and she had to leave the room to catch her breath. I'm a baby boomer and attended school through out the 50's. We all were waiting for the Russians to attack and practiced Air Raid drills weekly in school. I live in the Chicago area and remember traveling down Lake Shore Drive and seeing the Nike Missiles being cleaned and serviced by the military. I was raised Roman Catholic and every Sunday we would say a prayer f

I've held off responding to Ed's request for suggestions because I have strong feelings about "alternate" requirements. I wanted to see what others had to say on this topic. Ed used the word "important" in describing an alternate requirement; scoutldr accurately quoted the advancement requirements which use the description as demanding of effort as the original requirement. My problem is deciding how to equate the level of demand of a particular task on an individual scout. Swimming was the first merit badge I earned as an 11 year old scout. I had been active in competitive swimming for

Its Me, Scouting is the only organization for Cub/Webelos and 11 to 14 year old Boy Scouts, where the boy gets a chance to be indian and chief. He gets to help accomplish a goal and lead others in the accomplishment of a goal. He will have the great character builder of the chance to make someone elses vision a reality using yet again someone elses hands. By this I mean when he is in the learedship position for executing a plan he did not create. There are many team oriented activities but few where the team actually runs the program. I'd say stay but then I've been doing this sin

GOT CHA!!!!! He He He One hour a week, I could kiss the person who thought that one up:) Seriously don't take on too much or anything before you feel ready. This can really be fun and experiencing some Scouting moments with you child (children) can actually bring you top tears. Sunrise on the Tooth with my Father and 31 years later with both my sons comes to mind. Slow and steady, take ALL the training, have fun. LongHaul

When I posted before and said my troop had no silly rules I was joking, as Scoutmaster I approve all the rules the PLC makes before they are implemented. SSScout's post brought me back to something I was taught as a new staff person as a boy. "You are allowed zero mistakes on the shooting range or the water front" meaning the staff in this case. "If you make a mistake someone's life is, at that point, in jeopardy" Sometimes phrases like that just stick with you and cant be shaken loose. Problem is that today people just dont feel that way as SSScout says about the parent who thought he wa

MaScout, Now I'm confused, you say that you thought Scoutnut was right and looked in your Baloo manual and find that she/he is. Right about what? The original point of contention was his/her statement that Webelos are NOT to camp without a parent. The passages you quote clearly state that the only requirement is that they be with a responsible parent or adult. So any adult will do not specifically a perent and further more that adult can also be responsible for other scouts. The question now is how many scouts per adult? Yes it's up to local councils to make that call but what are

BelieveinScouts, You have a copy of the Flying Permit. You speak of the materials you requested from the pilots so I'm lead to believe you've read the reverse side of the Flying Permit. You know that EAA Young Eagle Flights are specifically noted and specific information is requested. What ever you choose to do and whomever's advice you decide to take remember that if you are in charge you will be the one explaining yourself if "something" happens. Everything goes fine it's one thing, "something" goes wrong you better have followed all the rules. LongHaul

Scoutnut, I don't know what you are looking at but if you go to the link you provided and look at the fourth red highlighted section Youth Protection & Adult Leadership: Youth Protection in Scouting you will see a revision identified by the number 1. This revision discribes a change to the wording contained in the last parapragh of the section titled Barriers to Abuse Within Scouting. If you click on the red highlighted area it will take you to the online version of the relevant section. Scroll down to the last paragraph under Barriers to Abuse within Scouting and you will see that

Scoutnut, So how many youth can one adult be supervisor for at the same time?

Just remember that the online version is the old version you have to make the changes yourself, they can be found in "Updates" (which is the link Scoutnut gave us) but not all of them are spelled out. LongHaul(This message has been edited by LongHaul)

Lisabob, I don't understand. Wikipedia (IPA: [/ˌwɪkiˈpiːdi.ə/] or [/ˌwiki-/]) is a multilingual Web-based free-content encyclopedia.[1] It exists as a wiki, a type of website that allows visitors to edit its content; the word Wikipedia itself is a portmanteau of wiki and encyclopedia. Wikipedia is written collaboratively by volunteers, allowing most articles to be changed by anyone with access to a computer, web browser and Internet connection. What's not legitamate about that? It's democracy in action! LongHaul

Scoutnut, First, I stand corrected, after reviewing my copy of the YP tape I see that you are indeed correct. The 1 to 5 is a local council rule and I am so used to reciting it I thought it was in the "ten point" section of the tape. As to the RULE for Cub camping we need to establish a definition of terms. Saying "x" is the rule and "y" is the accepted exception to that rule means that "y" becomes the line which can not be crossed and there fore the actual "policy" rule or guideline or law. It's the line that can not be crossed that is the issue not the line we all wish we cou

packsaddle, You are of course correct, I responded in the heat of the moment and should have looked up the title just to be sure. I really don't think it would have made a difference though, my point missed it mark anyway. LongHaul

Scoutnut, Again I will say the GTSS is in revision and things may change. Local Councils can an should decide exactly at what point a tour permit must be filled. Yes BALOO is designed for safety purposes in conjunction with camping but it also covers simple outdoor activities. Your local council can require BALOO training for a day at the Zoo. Concerning the event of the original post the operative term is "overnight". No matter where the "overnight" is held if it's within the Cub Scout Program BALOO is required. "A BALOO trained leader must be in attendance at each pack overnight

BrentAllen, No I'm not blind but I guess you are, "No, they were not justified in trying to stop the spread of freedom and democracy." is not an answer to whether Russia was justified in trying to stop WESTERN ECONOMICS. But hey forget it. Your statement that Russia was communist and Communist and thats all that matters says it all. You have no idea what either word means just that it's AMERICAN to be opposed to it. Wrap yourself in the flag and sleep in peace. LongHaul

cb2boys, Baloo is required for any activity held outside your normal meeting place, that's National policy. As for the museum being on the approved list that is a local council call. There is a form you can fill out to request an inspection, it's publication 13-508. I'd suggest you call you local council office unless you think they wouldn't be familiar with the museum your thinking about. Odds are your not the first to have this question. As to leadership requirements it depends on the age groups and your feelings on keeping tabs on the kids during the night. Im from Chica

BrentAllen, Havent you realized yet that your brand of smoke and mirror debate wont work with me. My definition was for what we are discussing communism with a small c your definition is for communism with a capital c. If you want to discuss that then I say it does not exist, what Russia practiced was socialism. United Social Soviet Republic remember, when they were in Afghanistan they were still the USSR. You glossed over the part where Russia didnt invade Afghanistan, or Hungry in 1955 or Poland in 1968 or Cuba in 1962! They were invited by the recognized government. Being of Polish

Scoutnut, First your local Council has the authority to tighten this rule. Your local Council can in fact require a 1 to 1 ratio but it must be done at the Council level. An individual Pack can require a 1 to 1 ratio but neither can go higher than 5 to 1. As for National policy I first refer you to the Youth Protection Training material revised 2004 which states that a 1 to 5 ratio must be maintained. As for this applying to Webelos how could it not unless other restrictions place tighter restraints on participants. Where most have a problem is reading what is actually written with

BrentAllen, Communism n. A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members. You never did answer my question which I put in bold type so you couldn't miss it. You criticize others for not answering direct questions but you repeatedly refuse direct questions yourself. I'm not looking to find common ground. I'm trying to discuss political and ideological view points based on facts. I'm trying to find out why you are so predisposed to kill anyone who disagrees with

BrentAllen, "Yes, we were allies with the Russians in the war against Germany. 35 years later we were in an arms race with them." What about the intervening 35 years? The # 2,3 &4 make no sense because you seem to have blocked out 35 years of history. I got news for you we were in an arms race with Russia in 1947. McCarthyism began in 1950. You say We were also trying to stop the spread of communism. Im asking you a simple yes or no question If we are justified in trying to stop the spread of Communism was Russia justified in trying to stop the spread of Western Economics? You do realiz

BrentAllen, I dont know what your background is but I would think that from reading and participating in these forums you would have developed some skill in presenting your arguments. All you can do is spout your party line and attack the character of the people who disagree with you. You very seldom attack their argument or position. You start with By understanding Hitler, it makes things all better Better wouldnt be my choice of word, Id say clearer. You follow with It wasn't his fault, right? Where does that come from? Who said anything about blame? The opening statement was about understan

Ed, Your post really, I mean really amazed me. If Bush legalized full term abortion tomorrow you'd move to Canada without a peep right, I DOUBT IT! BrentAllen, You repeat yourself so often by now I think you really believe the tripe. "We were attacked by Al Qaeda so we invaded Iraq who had absolutely nothing to do with it! The UEA who did have a whole lot to do with it are our bosom buddies. Of course the UAE also helps VP Chaneys old bodies make lot and lots of money so I guess that makes it ok that they actually did and do support Bin Laden. Rent the movie and actual

BrentAllen, You should rent or better yet buy a copy of "Goodnight and Good luck". You brand of patriotism is so like McCarthys it's laughable. Anti BrentAllen is Anti American, Anti George Bush is Anti American. Just because I seek to try and understand WHY my enemy fights me does not mean I become my enemy. Understanding why Hitler hated Jews does not make me anti-Semitic. I'm sorry to cloud your bubble but this is not a monarchy and GWB is not America. GWB does not represent American values he represents GWB's values which many Americans agree with. Those who do not agree are