LongHaul

Beavah, Along the lines of this post and the one on authority let me ask you for your opinion. I'm newly associated with a troop which has been continually chartered for 95 years. They have some traditions which go back quite a way. One of the things they do is have all the boys above First Class wear the green Venturing shirt. They have found over the years that this aids in retention of older boys. My question is do you think this is one of the "authority" issues which the local unit/CO have the "authority" to decide? LongHaul

Thank You! bbng If you will look at the link bbng has supplied you will notice that these are NOT the images we normally use on our patches. The clip art and reproductions we do use are not those which are officially approved by National. Note the references to size, color, shape,etc. which is mentioned in all the links referring to permission to reproduce. Also note the part where it says that the image must appear exactly as received with no other images connected with them. The patches we have made always have other details on them along with BSA images. If we are going to haul o

If the information that you are not allowed to use the Venturing Logo came from your SE or ASE directly then you are in trouble. If it came from a paid professional of lesser rank I'd contact your ASE or SE directly. Yes all logos are copyrighted material and TECHNICALLY we are supposed to ask for permission of the local council before including them on materials we produce ourselves. That said let me ask you this "What can 'they' do to you if you use the logo anyway?" Do you really think 'they' will try to physically stop you from distributing the patches? What this soounds like to me is

JerseyJohn, Sounds to me like you have a discipline problem with your adults. If the adults can't control themselves and not undermine the ability of the SM to build responsibility and leadership within the youth members then that individual should be asked to get with the program or stay home. It is best to have the adults separate from the boys so the boys feel that they are in control and not under surveillance but it should not be necessary. Boys will at times seek the path of least work. Why figure it out myself if I can get the solution from someone else? Its the adult that n

So the "IT" in my case is the provision of services to the youth. And the "authority" for that is in the unit/CO, and (hopefully), the PLC. Exactly where it should be, eh? On that sir we can agree. The authority to provide the A program was granted to the CO/unit in the form of its charter from the National Corporation. It came with the stipulation that the CO/unit conform to National Corporation policy. As I read his post Eamonn was referring to COs and units who have tweaked National policy to the extent that they are usurping Nationals authority to set policy. Just because Nat

For those who believe boy led means boy led let me ask you what youd do in this situation. You are the SM of a troop of about 20 boys. A boy is elected SPL who you know does not want the responsibility he wants the title. The weekly troop meeting plans stop being made, the PLC becomes a discussion group for X Box vs Play Station and the monthly outings are not planned. You contact the boy and address the PLC about their responsibly to the members and receive a phone call from the SPLs parent telling you that the SPL knows that the adults will not let the troop disband and that eventually

Before we get to far down this road lets recap. The original post was in reference to numbers published by National which did not reflect general experience. The math just didnt work with the numbers presented. A forum member questioned the need to question National on the numbers. This lead to the question of whether we, as Scouters, encourage or suppress the questioning of things said or done by someone in a position of authority. This lead to this thread about where the authority lies. Connecting the dots one would be lead to believe that it is being said that the CO or CP has the au

So are you saying that if my CO decides that Family Life shouldn't be required for Eagle and decides to award every scout Family Life merit Badge upon registration that that "at the end of the day" that authority rests with the CO? LongHaul(This message has been edited by LongHaul)

First off I could not to decide where to respond to this thread, in Eamonns or in Beavahs. I learned something in high school before you get into a lengthy discussion it is best to define terms. Just what do we mean when we use the term authority? Beavah says it should or does lie with the CO/unit, Eagledad wants it to be in the hands of the PLC. Just what is IT? The second term we need to define is tweak and separate it from change. When we discuss advancement on this forum we constantly get into where the line between interpretation and addition stands. The right to define The Program is

Here is some reference material about the "Thanks Badge" http://pinetreeweb.com/bp-can3.htm LongHaul

Scoutingagain, I was posting in response to nldscout, who was posting from the perspective of a criminal judge. From the original post I would have to agree that the EBOR should have been held no matter what criminal activity had taken place immediately prior. The members would then execute their duty and vote for or against advancement. The scout in question had, between the time of the EBOR being scheduled and the EBOR being held , participated in the commission of a felonious act, had been arrested gone to trial and been convicted. I feel it would be a bit soon to accept his w

Im late into this whole topic because the site would not let me in  The reference has been made to being convicted of possession of "drugs". In the 60's, when I was a scout, possession of any amount of marijuana was a felony in the state of Texas, not so in New York, and could actually have been considered a minor offense in California depending on the circumstances. So you are or are not qualified to be considered an Eagle scout not based on what you do but where you live? You are or are not qualified to be considered an Eagle scout based not on what you have done but what the EBOR can p

Ed, I have posted before concerning a Scout in my area who was promoted to the rank of Eagle while on the sex offenders list. This boy had twice assaulted the same young woman and all the youth in that High School knew of the incidents. The bragging rights of having another Eagle from that troop out weighed the moral issues. I was told by my DE that my troop wasn't productive because in 15 years we only had a few Eagle Scouts. We see the individual most only see the numbers. LongHaul

I'LL DONATE !!!! Where do I send the money? This is the first time I've been able to get past the home page in about a month. I can't seem to be able to open any of the threads. Talk about cold turkey!! LongHaul

As I recall the picture was of a boy wearing a campaign hat and a uniform type shirt. There were no insignia or markings on the shirt to indicate Boy Scouts but that was definitely the impression I got. Do we intemperate this image as being a Boy Scout because we are Scouts? The fact that this image was meant to represent the Values the maker of the product stood for leads me to believe that it was indeed intended to represent a Boy Scout. It was indeed a Chevy commercial. LongHaul

I too was a competitive swimmer in my youth, and swimming a mile was no harder than walking one. My sympathies go out to CalicoPenn's scoutmaster, I ended up in the rowers seat for a scout of mine doing our channel swim, which is 2.25 miles. Trying to stay ahead of the swimmer for 2.25 miles was far harder for me than swimming it was for him. He went on to be an All American in swimming 1500 meters was his specialty LongHaul

Politics sure does make strange bed fellows I have to agree with BrentAllen on this one. Id like to see a coast to coast, one side of the Capitol Building to the other investigation. This takes me back to the late 60s when drugs were everywhere. I knew who the dealers were, my friends knew who the dealers where, my mother knew who the dealers were, how come the police were the only ones seemingly not in the loop? (They knew, I know, because I told them) With all the people, lobbyists, congressmen and congresswomen, pages, secretaries, and janitorial staff why is it that we only want to k

In the last sentence you ask Is there a deadlineto turn in the application This would lead me to believe that this boy has not had a BOR for the rank of Eagle, in which case I turn your attention to the small print at the end of the numbered text on page 17 of the Requirements book #33215B. Bold print end of first paragraph, The Boy Scout Division at the national office must be contacted for procedures to follow if a board of review is to be conducted more than six months after a candidates 18th birthday. LongHaul

For about 10 years the direction from National has been that We dont belong in the real-estate business. You wont find this in print but if you look at the trend across the country the liquidation of property has been the front line solution to the drop in enrollment. With the push on the Learning for Life program in 1990, National has once again begun an effort to take the out out of Scouting. This was tried in the mid 1970s and was met with large drops in enrollment. The LFL program is supposed to counter this switch in demographics. Think about the issue from a different perspective.

Per the Webelos Leader Handbook, what the rule actually says is that a boy can stay in Cub Scouts, therefore be eligible for advancement, for 6 months after his 11th birthday OR until he completes the 5th grade which ever is later. So, what the issue becomes is whether this boy is still a registered Cub Scout. When did his registration lapse if indeed it has lapsed? He can not re-register as a Cub Scout at this point so basically it comes down to when does the Pack Charter , under which this boy last registered, end. From there we must apply the 6 month rule. LongHaul (This mess

While I agree that we at a very early age are in different ways offered values. We as free thinking humans at some stage decide for ourselves what is important to us. What do you use to base the decision? (referring to the decision as to what is important to us) What shapes the reasoning you use to decide what is important to you? We don't decide what values we will use to determine our personal values. We make the decision based on what we have been taught and what we have learned from life. Which values we chose to use shows our character it doesn't shape or build our character. If a fem

In life we have very few things we can really call our own. We have family but people die. We have material possessions but along comes Katrina and over night everything is literally gone. When I look at everything there are only two things which I know are mine until I decide to give them up. My faith and my honor. I choose how I will maintain them BUT the things I use when making those everyday choices are what make up my character. The problem is that I didnt get to choose my character, it was molded by my parents, teachers, friends, family, the people Ive met and the things I have wi

What is the level of current training within your troop on the adult side? Has the TC done the Committee Challenge? Has your Advancement Chair attended any specific advancement training at district or council level? I ask these questions because the training could give you a segway into your suggestions. Standing alone when trying to implement change is tough. Switching hats, is the TC trying to help the scout grow or are they just trying to continue with past practice? Is there a past practice, by that I mean has being a PL been a requirement for Life in the past? As was asked a

Yes the IH can hold an additional position within the unit. Being the COR and the CC is strongly discouraged as it removes one layer of accoutability from the chain. LongHaul

Yelruh, Your local council may require being Red Cross or Heart Assc. certified to be a counselor but I would bet that it does not. The requirements book makes no such stipulation nor does the Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures publication. BSA Lifeguard requires that the applicant hold current certification in CPR from American Heart Assc. American Red Cross or the National Safety Council but as far as I know that is the only badge/award which requires actual certification. LongHaul