le Voyageur

GHB; I certainly would not consistently pass all of your noted tasks, especially the birds. And, fire starting without matches is a hit or miss thing for me at best; though the requirement has never been to do so anyway. If I have to box the compass beyond sixteen, I might misname something; and after 32, I likely would simply botch it up pretty well. Now, if you just want it put back in its container, I can do that well, I think. Skeptic Not to worry, I've seen plenty of Eagles who couldn't do the basics such as hunt, track, stalk, skin, butcher, make leather, smoke meat, plant a garden, can, sew, cook, raise meat animals, chop/split wood, work a forge, harness or shoe a horse, fell trees, lay out a plat, make molasses, buck hay, or communicate in Morse Code...

... the deed is done. Sorry. Might as well enjoy the show. packsaddle. yep, Cassandra exits as the lights fade, with Medea waiting to take her place on the stage.

...granted that chemical contaminants and similar things are widespread but I think you are overstating the effects. Fact is, this is the Faustian bargain that we've made. We have a technological needle in our vein and we wouldn't remove it even if we could. packsaddle History tells of those who put that "technological needle" in their viens. The Hurons, Mohawks, Iroquoi,Potawatomi, Leni Lanape, Anishinabe, Menominees, Oneida, Chowans, Weapemeocs, Secotans, etc...they are now either no more, or just shadows...we need to think twice about what we are trading away for those brass pots, and pretty beads...(This message has been edited by Le Voyageur)

I can't think of a less-likely group to concoct a massive global conspiracy than a bunch of scientists. We're highly trained in our specialties but most of us are insufficiently skilled and insufficiently dishonest to be able to pull of a conspiracy bigger than stealing reagents from the next lab. packsaddle It won't be the scientists, at least not the ones being envisioned here. None the less the process is taking place. Waters polluted with a witches brew of chemicals that our physiology cannot cope with, or break down. A global food distrubution network that spreads diseases, and invasive species. The majority of humans eat meat that is toxic with growth hormones, and antibiotics. Both fresh water, and salt water fish that are loaded with mercury, and dioxins. Hamburger alone is a mix of nearly several hundred beeves, from several different countries (Mexico, South America, Canada, besides the USA) International tarvel which over several decades have spread diseases once confined by ocean barriers. A concern of California is the loss of the Salton Sea, a sewage pond were it to dry out would spread carcinogenic dust over several states. Nuclear test sites in Nevada still spread radioactive dust into the St George area of Utah, and nothern Arizona. As the human population continues to grow. the stresses on natural resources will grow, too. Means needing more carbon based energy to produce not only the basics, but also the frivolous. Eventually, human growth will outstrip available resources, with those resources such as land, air, and water becoming ever more, and increasingly toxic, and unuseable... (This message has been edited by Le Voyageur)

If there is a GW problem, I am not hopeful that humans will actually care enough to alter their pathetic narcissistic lives one iota. I can't even get the others who live under my roof to recycle or use CFL light bulbs. Every day, I come home from work and pull all the plastic water bottles and soda cans out of the garbage and go around and turn all the lights off in the middle of the day. I actually believe we will do ourselves in within the next 200 years as the tipping point has been passed. Our specie is now on the other side of the bell curve, and headed for extinction due to over population on a planet with finite resources... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziuFW-7h1LM http://www.burbankwaterandpower.com/water/conservation/californias-water-supply-crisis http://www.scribd.com/doc/22001218/The-Real-Water-Crisis-Soil-and-Groundwater-Salinization-in-the-Western-San-Joaquin-Valley http://earthtrends.wri.org/features/view_feature.php?theme=1&fid=9 http://www.canada.com/technology/story.html?id=93844846-31dd-4750-a3e3-5b17cc7d7527

lol... you do like to volley personal attacks, instead of debating the issues. Here's a clue, me bucko'....I've me COPE Director's hat on for this thread....

Per the question - yes. Global warming is real, but I've no problem with allowing it to continue unabated. Human's are now a virus on this planet, and a massive die off of these invasive parasites would see huge global benefits for other species, and eco systems.

@ Voyaguer: You, I don't respect so much. Your problem, not mine You started off rude and supercilious, and the asserted silly PC claims like "the most dangerous animal is the human over fatted on religion". I don't consider my life experiences with those "overfatted on religion" to be supercilious. However, it's very apparent that you jumped to the conculsion that this statement was directed at your's. Note, there is no adjective in front of "religion", your failure to reason and comprehend the obvious is your err, not mine. You followed that up by self-confidently piling obvious error on top of obvious error. and those errs are what? I don't know whether you are actually as ignorant as you seem, or if you just got up on the wrong side of the bed today. Yes, I'm ignorant. Meaning that I'm aware of my shortcomings, but still capable of learning. So are you ignorant, too. Or, just arrogant? .Regardless, let's catalog your nonsense by the numbers, last first. I'll have to get to your ridiculous claim about the RCC murdering a "billion", after I've done some more checking. It's worth doing, because something similar is often claimed, though your "billion" is by far the most extreme claim I've seen. having gone through this post of yours several times, you're not capable of scholary research. Sorry for being so blunt. 1. No, I knew who Shem . . . and Ham and Japeth were all by myself. I'll put a gold star by your name 2. I'm guessing if you had *really* studied under "Ruth DeEtte Simpson", you would have learned to spell "Lewis" (sic) Leakey's name correctly. I'm not sure where you hear of Ms. Simpson, but I'm guessing that "semester", may really have been only a 'siesta' taken after reading an article about her. Bad speelers of dah whorl, untie 3. Regardless, Ms. Simpson's chief fame to claim seems to have been the bogus the "Calico" dig where she both proved she couldn't tell rocks from tools, and also managed to bring an end to Louis Leakey's career. lol...seeing that you've now made yourself the "expert" on the Calico dig by cherrypicking the net for the negatives, you should know the key reason why Calico was being discredit, but not now. Well, do you? 4. None of Ms. Simpson's 'achievements', or even her curatorship of the "Gene Autry Museum of the West" exactly qualified her to speak expertly about ancient Middle Eastern texts. And why is that? And what proof do you have to make that claim? 5. I've read both the Gilgamesh Epic, and the account of Noah several times. If you had done so, you'd have known that the two accounts share features, but are not identical. Are you aware that the stories, and myths of preliterate societies will change over time, and when adopted by outside cultures, those stores will be adapted, modified, and changed to fit the idenity of that culture? Maybe not! I have to assume, given all the obvious errors you've made, that you are not a fan of Googling, since, a few minutes with Google would have saved you the thumping you're about to get. A Thumping...lol....More of your self self conceited arrogance, hey? 2. You claim to have studied under a "Ruth DeEtte Simpson", who was indeed an acolyte of Leakey. Maybe you actually did so. I have my doubts, however, since if you had, I'm pretty sure you'd have known that Leakey's first name was Louis, not "Lewis". (I didn't have to Google for Leakey's name, since I already knew that.) You're repeating yourself.....check your strawman above 3. I did Google for Ms. Simpson however, who I'd never heard of before. I feel that this was a forgivable lapse, since I don't think most people would keep up with the identity of the chief curator of the Gene Autry Museum of the West! I did discover that Ms. Simpson's primary claim to scientific fame was the infamous "Calico", noted for generating a set of rocks that may be either primitive artifacts or just rocks. Apparently, the most widely accepted opinion today is that what she was digging up were just rocks. Again, you're repeating yourself. You must love to hear yourself talk. btw, besides tools, we uncovered several campfire rings beneath 8 feet of dirt. Would you like to explain that? I had not known, previously, that Leakey through out his adult life suffered from severe zipper problems. (he could not keep his pecker in his pants). This is a Scouting forum, read by many young Scouts. You need to watch what comes out of your mouth....as such, you crossed the line here on this board with that comment 4. Regardless of Ms. Simpson's skills, or lack thereof, as an archeologist or curator of the "American West" there is nothing in her career that suggests that she was an expert in ancient Semitic culture or language. In fact, it would appear that she was about as qualified as I am to judge the relationship between the Gilgamesh Epic and the account of Noah. Again, you repeat yourself, and still you offer no proof. Surely you must be tiring of stuffing those strawmen of yours 5. Given your comments, I have to question whether you have read either, much less both. (I have, and not just today, either.) There are some similarities. But they are by no means identical. The oldest copies of Gilgamesh Epic predate the oldest dates for Genesis. This is often assumed to establish a textual relationship. But, that's only an assumption, and there's no other proof of a relationship. Do you ever tire of repeating yourself? Without proofs bearing citations, this is just more of your petty strawmen tactics. You're saying nothing, it's all smoke and hot air. So far, I don't see anything in your ramblings that amounts to a "thumping".

BTW, Michael Crichton died a little over a year ago so I fear he is unavailable to help Voyageur with his chicken plucking. not a problem...the chickens got a reprieve. However, Bambi is now hanging up. Looks like venison steaks, and roast for the Christmas dinner.

The typical color was Red. Other colors could be Blue, Green, White, Browns, Greys, and Blacks. If the color makes you happy, then you'll be fine.

GHillBilly... I'll respond to your tripe a little later. For the now, it's kinda tuff to take you seriously. (This message has been edited by Le Voyageur)

Edited part: le Voyageur, bite your tongue! I do all those things every Christmas for my DIL's second grade class, dressed as Santa himself, of course. One child to the other in the hallway: "Do you think he's really Santa?" second child, "Sure he is, he's OLD!" that sweet, sweet child. lol...what a hoot (biting my tounge), and a tip of the hat your way....

GHB....I'll have more time too, tonight so if you want to play I do love history. Hint: etymologically speaking, "Semitic" derives from the name "Shem", one of Noah's sons. Hittites (a word exclusively from the English translation of the Hebrew Bible) refers to sons of Canaan. Whoever the "Hittites" were, and there's some debate, they were NOT "Semitic". If they had a "semitic (sic) volcano god", they would have had to have gotten him/her/it from the Israelites! ) Yes, you are right that the term Semite derives from the biblical Shem (I'm guessing you googled Wikipedia for this bit of trivia). But, so what, the problem is that the story of Noah is the Gilgamesh Epic borrowed and retold (spent a semester studying the epic of Gilgamesh under the tutelage of Professor Ruth DeEtte Simpson,an associate of Dr. Lewis Leakey.) In short, the story of Noah is a plagiarized fiction greatly inflated. It's in the same vein as fictionlizing Nicholas of Myra to Santa Claus. As such, I've my doubts that the 4th century Nicholas had magical reindeer that had the power of flight, and the ability to exceed the speed of light.

GaHillbilly... you're a misinformed hoot....lol. First, Yaweh, aka Jehovah was a semitic volcano god of the Hittites before being morph into the God of Israel, i.e., a nature god. You've also failed to mention the number of souls murdered by the Roman Catholic Church, which would be over a billion were we to include the destruction of the Aztecs, Incas, Mayans, Hurons and other Great Lakes Tribes, anti Baptists, etc. The RCC's war on women (The Hammer of the Witches), led to the murder of nearly 100 000 women, Jews, and gypsies). Papal wars added even more to the RCC death toll. You also confused (maybe on purpose since you seem to have an ax to grind against atheism) religion, with idealogy. There is a differance. If you would, please, do your homework. Your psuedo intellectualism ain't working here....still lol

Mittens would be ideal, and are easy to make. I'll be making another pair shortly as the oilcloth will soon be dry(This message has been edited by Le Voyageur)

Guess it's good to know that I'm a liberal urban atheist, even though I live rural and nearly off the net...lol. As I see it, Mr. Crichton could give me a hand. Gotta lop off the heads of a few chickens, and he could help with the plucking, and gutting...heck, we could even do a round or two of kumbaya to make the job go faster. However, to be fair, I've rambled enough on this globe to know that the most dangerous animal is the human over fatted on religion. However, I doubt there will ever be a sauce that would make such a creature palatable.(This message has been edited by Le Voyageur)

Maybe the solution would be for several Councils to team up to operate, and maintian just one camp.

Looks like a good, basic course. Seen too many times, volunteers showing up on precamp work days with just out of the box saws, having little to no experience in their use. This course should help the newbees in getting a good start, and staying safe. Yes, there are a few weak areas in the course, but an experience trainer should catch these, and cover it in the training session. What is not covered, is working at heights, the domain of the trained arborist which is a very good thing. Better to keep folks on the ground (recall a number of years ago the needless death of a new hire Ranger, working alone, who pinned his self in a crotched tree). Even though I've considerable experience with chain saws, when this course is offered in my neck of the woods, I plan to attend. Who knows, maybe this old dog will pick up a few new tricks....

Like le Voyageur suggests, get the correct stuff! Unless you're portraying a Mandan Indians, blonde hair and blue eyes just don't cut it. There's a lot ways one can go to improve the image of OA Indian traditions and hokie isn't one of them. jblake47 Believe it or not, it can be done. If, you've got several willing to do the research on to protray Sir William Johnson, aka Warragiyagey, or Simon Girty, or John Fraser, or new pork eaters just starting to be asimulated by one of the Great Lake tribes....

Seeing how National has been going ever more on the cheap, it wouldn't suprise me seeing that Certificate eventually becoming down loadable from the net. Maybe they'll have a collection of Presidential sigs to photo shop from, also. Wouldn't mind having my updated with John Adams' as the Honorary...LBJ was too much of a scoundrel for me.

Dissent is patriotic when you're disagreeing with an action or policy of the government. When you dis-respect the whole country by refusing to honor the flag, you need to find a country more to your liking. If you don't like your USA citizenship, we've got thousands of Mexicans who will gladly take your place and proudly pledge their allegiance in exchange for the privilege of living here. Git! JoeBob lol....another Beckaholic who's been sipping too much Rushade...so, what part of the 1st Amendment of the Bill of Rights has you confused? Maybe this person's refusal to stand for the Pledge irks you, but whatever reason he has for not meeting your standards of jingoism are his, and his alone. You need to work a bit more on being a wee bit more open minded, as the world just ain't all black and white and easly squeezed into that elitist Nationalistic box you're rattling around in...still lol (This message has been edited by Le Voyageur)

As my focus is high adventure, I'm the wrong person to be asking for advice on unit issues for new/and or seasoned unit leaders. Better to sit around the "campfire" sipping the chocolate, listening to the chatter...

http://www.usscouts.org/advance/boyscout/changes/bsrank5-10.asp

As a re enactor of the early fur trade era, these are the sources that use.... Smoke and Fire http://www.smoke-fire.com/ Ghost Forge http://www.ghostforge.com/ Jas Townsend http://jas-townsend.com/index.php Musket Mart http://www.musketmart.com/ Clearwater http://www.clearwaterhats.com/default.htm Track of the Wolf http://www.trackofthewolf.com as a heads up....capotes are the poor man's justicorp. The capotes seen on the net are historically wrong. Here's how they should look... http://www.mayberryfineart.com/artist/cornelius_krieghoff/ http://www.mayberryfineart.com/artwork/1294/(This message has been edited by Le Voyageur)

Again, another silly looking, and over priced uniform designed by committes of fashionistas. Thankfully, as a member of a Venture crew I've no compelling reason to ever buy these hideous garments...