le Voyageur

I would invite the writer of that opinion piece on cycling helmets to cycle Tioga, or Wolf Creek Pass. Sorry, but the UK lacks the high altitude passes we have in this country that we cyclist have to deal with on trans Americas. No one size fits all when it comes to geography or terrain.

Actually, it was called Stalking, not Stalker...however, I hope they don't water down the requirements for these MB's like they've done for so many others...

Guess I'm a fuddy duddy because I wear helmets for caving, climbing, whitewater, cycling, and arborial works. I just figure my who "I am" is more important then who "will I be" with a traumatic head injury. Just got no desire to become the vegetable of the month. Besides which is the least cool...wearing a helmet, or drooling with a feeding tube in your nose, and wearing diapers... Wear the helmets, then take a NOL's course in Backcountry Risk Management...

Were I a Unit Leader, I would accept no photos. This is, as I see it, a requirement to be done in the outdoors. Not at a computer terminal. It's needs to be done in the outdoors, as it provides the SM/ASM with a living classroom, and teachable moments to explain to the Scout, how all things are interconnected to the enviroment in which those signs are found. This thread is intended as a resource for those new Unit Leaders to get them off, and running and working with their Scouts. Also it would provide them a place a post an image that they are not sure of to allow us to put our collective heads together to figure out what it is...(This message has been edited by Le Voyageur)

My thinking is that as Scouters we share images as a resource tools to help those new Scouters/Unit Leaders who are starting out, and are working at improving their outdoor skills. This thread should be considered nothing more then an opportunity to help those new Leaders to better serve their Unit.

Toques had both...during the Rev War, the toque was known as the Liberty cap being worn by a considerable number of militas, these lacking the ball fringe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_cap

You're right in a way. The matchcoat (aka the justicorp), and capote are nearly the same as Native Americans copied the pattern. The differance being choice of material, the trade blanket, and simplicity.

OGE My source for capotes is the Canadian artist Cornelius Krieghoff...here's a few images of different styles of capotes... http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/ObjView/M977.90.1-P1.jpg http://www.totalsnowshoes.com/c010696k.jpg http://images.mayberryfineart.ca/med/1165957064_hunterandfamily.jpg http://images.mayberryfineart.ca/1165957656_hunterandsquaw.jpg

Identify or show evidence of at least ten kinds of wild animals (birds, mammals, reptiles, fish, mollusks) found in your community. Pictures are worth a thousand words - from my neck of the woods (feel free to add from your neck of the woods) Beaver http://i546.photobucket.com/albums/hh427/Chowanoke/DSCN0396.jpg Beaver http://i546.photobucket.com/albums/hh427/Chowanoke/DSCN0382.jpg Deer http://i546.photobucket.com/albums/hh427/Chowanoke/DSCN0375.jpg Squrrel http://i546.photobucket.com/albums/hh427/Chowanoke/RSCN0365.jpg pileated woodpecker http://i546.photobucket.com/albums/hh427/Chowanoke/DSCN0364.jpg

Decided to give this requirement a "road test" while out on me early morning walk. Within a short amount of time was able to bag the following... Canadian Geese (scat, and sounds), Fish Crow (sound), Common Crow (sight), Deer (scat, signs, sight), Beaver (sign), Wild Turkey (sight), Egret (sight), Blue Heron (sight), Pileated Woodpecker (sound), Red bellied Woodpecker (sign), Turkey Vulture (sight), Squrrel (sight, signs), Say's Phoebe (sight), Black Bear (old signs), Carolina Wren (sight), Eastern Towhee (sight), Red Milkweed Beetle (sight), Wood Duck (sight), male Cardinal (sight), Barn Owl (signs), Possum (sign), Racoon (sign), Red Neck (beer cans).... As a heads up, deer season is still in effect here in me neck of the woods. Suggest wearing a bit of blaze orange before rambling about...

The problem with any item made for the outdoors, especially these new high end garments, is, that they are seldom tested in the real world of the outdoors. For outdoor testing it's the consumer who becomes the test rat (no two are alike). If the item works well in the outdoors, then sells of that item will go up, if not, then the item is pulled, and another flavor of the month, must have wonder garment is hawked. For myself, I prefer wool, and often make my own gear...a good wool blanket, or two (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ZWN325-1.html), and several hours of sewing while sitting in front of the tele watching Survivorman, will produce a capote, a splitback weskit, Canadaian cap, mittens, and boot liners. Also,prowling thrift stores for gear can keep the cost down . My last big haul included a nearly new LL Bean down vest, and jacket for 4 bucks, 25 cents.

Information for the course can be found here.... http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/BoyScouts/TrainingModules.aspx

Having given this soon to be here training program a bit more thought, I see for the now only those experienced with chainsaws being the first to take this course. The reason will be cost. I doubt Councils, let alone their Rangers will allow the use of these tools for training due to liability concerns, and replacement costs. For those without the gear, just to acquire the basics will see an outlay of around 300 to 500 dollars, and in this tight economy that's a considerable amount of cold water to be hit with. Overall, I don't see that many signing up for the course....

Shangani Patrol (1971), sorry, but this old coot can't remember the yell. But do recall the faux Brit accent for what ever it was...

Yes, it looks like another manditory course. But, unlike other BSA courses (Climb on Safety, Safety Afloat, etc...), this one is the rare exception in that it has obviously been laid out by experts. Provided that the Council trainers are equally experience, this will be training worth the time, effort, and expense to take.

I use a money belt for my Krugerrands, and Maple Leafs

such reparte' am I hearing this???? ....

No matter how much attention is paid to period detail most reenactments leave you with the impression that the Civil War was fought by men in their forties and fifties (or even older). You see precious few of the teenagers who made up the bulk of the combat troops. Visit Colonial Williamsburg and ask yourself what the city and the people would look like if the streets were historically accurate (not paved), especially after a day or two of rain. A certain level of inaccuaracy is pretty much inevitable. For the Gods and Generals shoot we had to meet weight, and physical type requirements. Overfed, and out of shape re enactors with their huge bellies weren't considered, or hired....even though I'm F&I, was able to hobble together a presentable persona which found meself, having experience with blackpowder cannons and mortars, working a rebel gun crew. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZWAmsdGBiE and beefing up the ranks for Pickett's charge http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iT0Hmu5bXY&feature=related great fun, but the experience of this shoot left me greatly humbled (This message has been edited by Le Voyageur)

Nothing more then the old Stalking mb requirements of long ago. We used plaster of paris, sketches, and photography. With todays digital cameras this should be a cinch.

When I read the new Boy Scout Handbook it describes an orienteering course as a map marked with five or six destinations called control points. The participant is expected to orient the map and - without being given a bearing - determine the direction to the first control point. They use their map and compass to find the first control point, find the control point, gather some proof of being there, and then repeat for the next control point. The old Handbook gave a similar description. My read is that requirment intends to introduce the scout to the basics of map and compass work. Those basics being boxing the needle, map to field, and field to map techniques for direction finding. As such, I think any course set up to cover these techniques should cover the new requirments. The downside is that m -> f, and f -> m training will require using a compass that can doubled as a protractor. Thus, say goodbye to those cheap lenstatic compass..

Today's episode on Daniel Boone..an alliance between two tribes to avert a war by an inter-tribal marriage. Boone, and Mingo to deliver a Cree maiden (Brenda Bennett - her blaze orange glazing did little to hide the fact that she was not ndn) to the Shawnee. The farb starts from the get go, the big gaff was not seeing the traditional gift giving, or hospitality that would of been required at the parley between Boone, and the father of the prospective bride. Additionally, Boone was not presented with a white wampum belt, tobacco, rum, and additional dowry gifts to carry along with the young lady. Boone's overall agreement of the task should of been sealed with him saying...Hey-gagh cohweh heglohmekah. From there, the story went downhill at an alarming rate...overall, an impossible story made possible by the Disney myth makers. None the less, an episode that would serve in a High School history class to begin an introductory discussion on gift giving, oral contracts, and social customs on the fronteer.

In a way, I think these old programs would be good for comparative lesson material for high school history classes. Sort of a show and tell that seperates out the Hollywood, from the historical record. If there is one area of historical re enactment that I enjoy the most, is when I have a gaggle of high school history teachers asking tons of questions at an event.

From Wikipedia Farb is a derogatory term used in the hobby of historical reenacting in reference to participants who exhibit indifference to historical authenticity, either from a material-cultural standpoint or in action. It can also refer to the inauthentic materials used by those reenactors. Flipping on the tele this am for a bit of detraction while sharpening saw chains, tuned into Daniel Boone (Fess Parker, 1964). The farb had me howling...would not suggest this program as a historical source for anyone. The episode today had actors with Stetsons, wearing Levi's, toting trapdoor Springfields, and Baker rifles. And poor little Israel, running about in a circa 1885 Little Lord Faunteroy outfit!!!! As for the time period, had ole Daniel headed for Philly, instead of being somewhere on the Wilderness Road headed for the Cumberland Gap. What a hoot, can't wait for tomorrow's show to see all the farb. Maybe, I'll be able to finish up a few more saw chains...

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Wow, Voyageur, after all your talk about Indians, I would have thought you and those around you had real skillz. I guess you are a fan of 'virtual Indians'? Does that mean that all your facts about Indians are just 'virtual facts', too? GHB Not a fan, and you're starting to push the race card...on my father's line, I'm a Nansemond/Powhattan, a descendant of Matoaka, dau. of Wahunsenacawh; and Keziah,a Christianized Nansemond, and wife of John Basse. On my mother's line, Yellow Horse, who as of yet we know very little about. As he was incarcerated in Indian Territory (Oklahoma) we suspect he may of been a combatant at Greasy Grass. And, Guwisguwi, an Anglo Metis and Principal Chief of the Cherokees. Thus being an Anglo Metis myself, I guess that qualifies me as a virtual Indian, and a fake in your book? (This message has been edited by Le Voyageur)