Kudu

Both of my double postings also had exactly the same time stamp: Posted: Sunday, 8/21/2005: 12:45:18 AM And I didn't hit the send key twice. Since then the duplicate has been removed: http://www.scouter.com/forums/viewThread.asp?threadID=106568&p=6 http://tinyurl.com/dzaej

Has anyone figured out what causes a message to appear twice, even though it was submitted only once?

Rooster, the context of the quote is as follows: "Baden-Powell's admirers subsequently made much of the fact that his Laws never resembled negative 'thou shalt not' commandments but were always positive. The true significance of this formulation seems to me to be that (rather like a religious convert) a boy who became a Boy Scout was expected to be a changed being, wearing the brotherhood's hat, carrying his pilgrim's staff and knowing the order's secret signs and chants. Thus equipped, he could be all the things that the Scout Law states a Scout is. "With 53 Labour M.P.s recently

I'm with Neil on this one. As Tim Jeal wrote concerning the Oath & Law in his biography "Baden-Powell," "From time immemorial boys have lied with facility, have thought adults hypocritical and have resented any attempts to make them appear to be ostentatiously virtuous" [page 394].

The following titles are suggested as possible movies for Troop JLT weekends because they embody leadership and/or group problem solving. Given the number of new and old classic films that are released now on DVD every year, does anyone have any additional recommendations? Follow Me, Boys Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World The Emperor's Club October Sky The Cowboys (John Wayne) Lost in the Barrens My review of "Master & Commander" for JLT can be found at: http://www.inquiry.net/patrol/training/movies.htm

> And your in scouting,why? Too just bash the uniforms, & insult the > program? Perhaps my review was too complicated to be of any practical use for most readers. At any rate, it was my version of a gushingly positive evaluation :-/ As far as bashing the uniform goes, I would divide those who debate the issue into two camps: those who see the BSA uniform as a symbol and therefore a moral issue; and those of us who view the uniform as a practical method of Scouting which reinforces the other methods (patrol badge, rank badge, leadership position badge, outdoor event tem

For bringing a friend to a meeting, and for finding old Scout uniform shirts, the coin of the realm in our Troop is Reeses Cups! If the visitor actually registers, the entire Patrol gets an additional Reeses Cup because making a newcomer feel welcome is really a group effort. In addition to the Reeses Cups we give out BSA recruiter badges, of course: the rectangular recruiter strip for 1 new Scout, the old 3" circular recruiter badge for a total of 2 new Scouts, the new 3" circular recruiter badge for 3 new Scouts, and a Patrol Leader Badge for 4 or more new Scouts. Some troops

Wow! Google News has a new "Customized News" function! It is an option up toward right hand corner of the Google News page which reads "Customize This Page": http://news.google.com After you save your changes, bookmark your customized page because your URL is then different: http://news.google.com/news#s_1 You can customize it to report any slant that you want, depending on what keywords you use. For my own newspage, I just used the keywords "Scout Scouts" and selected the option to show nine stories. So today my customized news page shows the following stories:

I received a new recruiting DVD from the BSA this week. The package is called "In the Scout Zone." The DVD consists of five videos: 1) Scout Zone Music Video ("Scouts can show their friends this high-energy video of Scouting activities to encourage them to join"). 2) Recruit a Friend ("This video on boy-to-boy recruiting will help young Scouts know what to say to their friends about their adventures in Scouting"). 3) Troop Open House ("This presentation on the best methods of conducting a troop open house will help you sell the "outing" in Scouting"). 4) Webelos to Sco

Scouts-L.Org has a "Random Scouting Quote" at the bottom of the page. You can hit "refresh" to scroll through them: http://www.scouts-l.org/

Trevorum writes: > NJ, I appreciate the empathy. Really. But I have never been made to feel > like a 3rd (or 2nd) class Scouter (except perhaps by those on either end > of the extremist spectrum - from Rooster on the right to Kudu on the left - > who for different reasons think I and other UUs should be BSA pariahs > because of our faith). As a member of the UUA, I don't understand the accusation. My view on the UUA's problems with the BSA is that the BSA is dominated by conservative churches for a reason. I would like to see a church historian examin

> Also, is there a BSA form used as a checklist for planning a patrol > campout? We have put together one for our patrols to use but since > BSA has so many forms, I thought there might be one. What you are looking for is training, rather than a form. Everyone has perfectly logical reasons as to why Patrols no longer hold Patrol Meetings, Patrol Hikes, and Patrol Campouts, but I suspect that the real reason is that (since the Post-Hillcourt, 1972 emergence of "Leadership Development" as a separate "method" of Scouting) we no longer train Patrol Leaders how to do these

Kristi, I used ellipses to indicate that I was replying to only part of the quote. I have re-read your posts a couple of times and I can't figure out what you are trying to say. Is it your position that handing out "caseloads" of ice and water to 40,000 Scouts justifies making them keep their shirts on? That seems odd, since you and others are saying that the Scouts are to blame for their own heat sickness because they refused to drink.

> "...the Scouts were told they could remove their uniform shirts if they > had another shirt underneath - a rarity for an event as important as a > presidential visit, most Scouts said." It seems to me that no one was > overlooking the problem of the heat. Kristi Except for Scouts who don't wear TWO shirts to stand in the sun for three hours in the upper 90s and high humidity. God forbid that THEY take their shirts off for an event as important as another presidential no-show. > I'm not surprised all of this "bad press" is spewing out of the liberal media.

> If saluting in uniform with hats on outdoors (which I'm sure it probably was) > was in common use by Boy Scouts on June 15, 1916, then it's okay now! BSA uniform hats were worn INDOORS as well, but this was back in the days when hats were more common and everyone knew the rules. In fact, the BSA went to considerable effort to update the photographs and drawings of Scouts and Scouters wearing hats indoors when the "field cap" replaced the campaign hat. For a collection of 35 photographs and drawings from BSA Handbooks showing Scouts and Scouters wearing hats indoors

I enjoy media hype, and what's not to like about Harry Potter? I didn't start reading it until I discovered how many of my Scouts had read the entire series not once but many times. Scouts I never suspected of having read a book :-/

As adults we should pretend to be courteous and kind. Making public accusations about Scouts, pretend or otherwise, is neither.

And just to be fair, why not censor the pro-bigot stuff too? http://www.scouter.com/books/shop.php?k=get+off+my+honor&mode=Books

John, are you still reading? How did your son's crossover ceremony go?

> Everyone who signed an adult application pledged to abide by BSA > rules and regulations -- Not so fast. We agree to abide by rules and regulations that the BSA discourages us from learning. If you want to actually read them, then you have to make an appointment with your Scout Executive to view them (eyes only) at your local Scout HQ under someone's supervision. Actual sentences taken from these semi-secret official rules appear as bold-faced print in the publications that we are actually allowed to view freely. The reason for all the secrecy might be because th

> The Insignia Guide is written for those that care about the uniform > and want to wear it correctly. Those who care about the uniform wear it the way that it SHOULD be designed. I once shared a sewing machine in Ely, Minnesota with the executive in charge of the insignia of the BSA Boy Scout Division. I was surprised to find out he and a couple of the most senior executives in Irving Texas had unsuccessfully tried to get the Supply Division to introduce official nylon cargo "zip-off" Scout pants. I would not have learned that if I hadn't been wearing my Scout Shirt an

> If I follow you, viewing atheists as spiritual beings would defeat the > atheists intended definition and would be more offensive and demeaning > than the former exclusionary goal. Fuzzy: Scouts don't have to know how you view them :-/ I've only known eight self-proclaimed atheist Scouts, but they all were pretty sharp and included three of my Senior Patrol Leaders. None of them were easily "offended or demeaned," nor did they have an "intended definition" beyond a straightforward disbelief in supernatural forces. All things considered, young atheists would

The "Insignia Guide" is what Uniform Police usually refer to when explaining why you can't wear outdoor pants (such as olive drab BDUs or "zip-offs") with the BSA shirt. If all of the Scouts wearing hit pins in the official "Boy Scout Handbook" are wearing the adult pin, then you can't say that BSA headquarters takes what the "Insignia Guide" has to say about hat pins very seriously, can you? :-/ I like the 1st Class reproduction hat pin myself. It can be painted green to conform to the Scoutmaster hat pin of the same era. Assistant Scoutmaster pins were red. Field Commissioner

> In other words, the only pin youths can wear on the campaign hat is > the First Class pin Don't worry about the so-called "Insignia Guidebook." Nobody pays attention to that stuff except cranky four-beaders and people on the Internet. Look at the Scouts wearing hit pins in the official Boy Scout Handbook, and you will see that they are ALL wearing the adult hat pin :-/

> I also agree that the BSA is more interested in 'spirituality' than in > 'religion'. I say just the opposite. If the BSA was spiritual, they would see atheist children as spiritual beings. > We try to hold boys to the 12 Laws and the Oath. That would work better if William Hillcourt's original first Method of Scouting was restored, "The Scout Way: A Game, Not a Science." The problem is that "Duty to God" in the BSA is a fundamentalist moral absolute, and not the goal of a game. > Wouldn't it make more sense for us to evaluate youth and leader's &