Kahuna

According to Wikipedia: "In an interview with Carroll Edson during his later years, he recalled that the task of writing the first rituals of the Order of the Arrow was assigned to an early member who was "a 32nd degree Mason." Familiar terms such as "lodge" and "obligation," were borrowed from Masonic practice, as were some ceremonial practices. Even the early national meeting was called a "Grand Lodge," thought to be a Masonic reference. Goodman became a Mason only after the OA was established." Anyone who is or has been a Freemason would recognize immediately the similarities in ritual. This guy Salza is a serious religious fanatic, however. BTW, I took Brotherhood in 1962 and that lodge had only about 2 years before been drawing blood in that ritual. I believe the early ritual books read a little differently in that regard than do the current ones. However, I know lodges had been expressly forbidden to practice that prior to the time some of them actually stopped.

>>but now that we won

I just came back from a walk with my dogs. I live in a middle to upper middle class neighborhood. Two scout-age boys (like 12) on bikes came up the street in conversation that could be heard a long way off. Their interchange went something like, "I don't know I can effing do that or effing not." "Yeah, eff that stuff, anyway, I'm gonna effing do whatever." These were well dressed kids on expensive bikes who live in the neighborhood. They go to one of the best middle schools in an affluent county. They're not hoodlums and probably do okay in school. They might be scouts. I was just thinking that probably every kid in their school talks like that, scouts included. When I was a kid, and dinosaurs roamed the earth, we used words like that, but not where any adult could hear us and not all that often. I haven't been a Scoutmaster for 15 years, but I recall we heard a lot of foul language, generally on camping trips or bus travel. Usually we ignored it unless it was in our faces. God forbid if it was to one of us! We did, however, remind the boys often that we met in a church and such language was not appropriate within those confines. We also reminded them that when we were in public in uniform, we expected them to appear to be the angelic little beings we knew they were not. We pretty much got an understanding on that. Today, I don't know what I would do. Foul language has never bothered me much. I was an Army brat and could talk like a GI by the time I was 14. I was a military guy and until I reached a rank at which it was no longer seemly, I pretty much gave and took with the best of them. We do have a public image, though, and while I'm sure the public realizes they aren't little angels, they do expect a little higher standard from Boy Scouts. BTW, I'm glad to hear there are other Galactica fans in scouting. I would have bet you'd hear "fraking" now and again. And the context of the show makes it clear it means just what it means. Frickin'? I don't know what I'd do with that.

I'm a Vice Commodore on the council Venturing staff. Former skipper. I don't know if the "once a uniform, always a uniform" thing applies in Sea Scouting or not as regards those home made outfits. We had a splendid set of hard shoulder boards using the insignia of the original Sea Scout officers: silver stripes with the First Class anchor device. Of course, as a unit, you can set up any uniform you want, it's just that you can't wear it to participate in "national" events. Doesn't seem to affect council or regional regattas. I never understood why they got rid of the "Johnny Cash" (all black) uniform. That was handy for units down here when the weather was seasonably cool. It's never really cold enough to wear the dress blues here. All the uniform changes came from the "Texas Mafia" under the previous national commodore. Maybe Charlie Wurster will make some changes of his own.

>>Off the top of my head I think the limit of knots on the sea socut uniform only applies to there tan uniform...I think.... but yeah there is a limit. sounds kind of dumb

>>these forum threads that are usually monopolized by Brent, Gern, and Kahuna spouting their own brand of vile attacks on those who disagree with them, or as I like to think of them the Rush Limbaugh Fan Club

They cut costs in ways we can't imagine. Some scout executives took no pay, half pay or some other deal and subsisted on contributions or from another job. Some councils were run without professionals at all. A lot of council offices were in donated space because, like today, there were lots of vacant offices. The cost of Scouting in those days, even in adjusted dollars, was much less than today. Their camps were built by volunteers from lumber cut on site and would not pass building codes of today. A scout uniform from those days would last forever. I have two of them from 1935. You could put 'em on and wear them for years even now. So, hand-me-downs were much easier to come by.

I'm not sure they have a defined purpose. Here's an example from Wikipedia of a case where one was appointed. "More troops were organized through the years, mostly organized by American missionaries and servicemen in the island. The growing number of scouts was the reason why the Rotary Club of Manila wrote to the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) in New York. The letter was a request to formalize Scouting in the Philippines starting with Manila. The BSA responded by sending Samuel W. Stagg as the special field scout commissioner to the Philippines. At the same time, Philip D. Carman, a U.S. army Major stationed in the Philippines who was on leave back in the United States, followed up the request with the BSA in New York." Obviously, the one pictured is from post 1970, when the insignia were changed from the old type with no position description to the ones like we have today that says "Scoutmaster," or whatever. Hope that helps.

>>The making the government less powerful thing didn't make sense, to me at least

TheScout: >>Modern liberals like to expand the power of government. This takes away individual freedom

>>Apparently we do not even live in the same world

>>Liberals claim to be so interested in personal freedom and liberty. Do what you wnat to do. Legalize drugs, etc. So why do they wish to take others rights away from them?

>>The good news is this is setting up to be a repeat of 1993

Thanks for bringing that up. I don't have HBO, but I reserved it on Netflix when it comes out on DVD. I saw a review in the local paper.

>>Then as the Judeo-Christian religions' population dropped off, or remained at a constant, Islam would become the dominate religion, then being able to flex their will on the rest of the world. This is not my theory, but it has some validity

>>I do have some concerns about how many the course can accommodate? I really hope it's not going to be along the same lines as SEAL, with only about 50 participants a year.

>>moral of the story is, if the new shirts have stuff coming off, return them.

Scouter 760: I stand corrected (although your tone leaves something to be desired). I was not aware of National's letter. AFIK, it hasn't been emphasized much in either of the councils I've been in. In any case, there are some cases in which it pays off. As I said earlier, Sea Scout units who accept donated boats will almost invariably have such a corporation. Large troops who have a lot of expensive equipment may benefit from it also. My experience has been that it is not as complex or fraught with peril as National apparently thinks. Of course, National is into the Chartered Organization business and might feel this somehow denigrates the partnership.

Sounds great, Todd. Good luck.

I'd been having trouble losing weight, despite following a low carb diet that had worked for me in the past. I had some other symptoms, too, so went to a clinic that specializes in nutrition and natural remedies. They did a blood screen and found I had food sensitivities (not allergies). When they were eliminated from my diet, I started losing weight again. Under their program, I can try some of these foods again after 3-4 months. The sensitivities often arise from eating the same foods a lot.

>>You're also dealing with your State's non-profit corporation law

You really don't need a tax attorney or a CPA. Most attorneys can work through the process, but you are dealing with the IRS. A good set of books on Quicken or QuickBooks will do just fine if the IRS audits you.

>>The BSA discourages units from filing for their own tax status separate from their CO

The equipment issue is a good reason to consider having a 501©(3). We had the corporation own the equipment and lease it to the CO for a dollar a year. Paid off when he we left a new CO after less than two years and the COR wanted to keep our equipment. When we disbanded the unit later, the corporation parceled out the equipment to units who needed it.

>>Yah, with due respect to Kahuna... horse hockey