John-in-KC

On 6/17/2020 at 1:00 AM, WAKWIB said:

@John-in-KC  I only know the plan at Bartle will be to have meals delivered to the campsites.  If/when anything is served in the dining hall it will be a limited capacity type of thing to allow for social distancing.

 

The critters, which already actually climb on the cots at night, are going to have a field day with this “great idea”. 

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i split this into a separate topic because our youth will be having a completely different experience than any of us ever did.

I am reminded of an old military adage:  The PLAN is NOTHING; PLANNING is EVERYTHING.  As the OP noted, running 11 students in a 66 Passenger school bus is a formula for failure. 

Be prepared to try and help your Scouts make sense of nonsense.  

Saw the video.

Is Camp Swampy going to refund for anyone whose self assessment, in the words of the song, says “Stay the **** at home”?

In addition, is anyone looking at those who registered for the Philmont side of this and inviting them to WV, or as I assume, lots of professionals are too busy to worry about the paying customers?

In 2010, the International Scout Bureau released an article on MI5 and MI6 papers from the Nazi era relating to Scouting.  It has much to reflect on even today...
 

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In one of these bundles of documents is a two-page report that Baden-Powell (hereafter BP) transmitted to the International Commissioner, where he states that "both [Lauterbacher] and Benemann are eager to see the Scouts get into closer touch with the German youth movement. He continued his report stating that Ribbentrop "sees in the Scout Movement a very powerful agency" to help bring together the two youths. To Ribbentrop, and as per the report by BP,“that the true peace beween the two nations will depend on the youth being brought up on friendly terms together in forgetfulness of past differences”. This report carries no instructions from Baden-Powell to go along the suggestions proposed by Ribbentrop.

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It is interesting to note that the nazis invasion plan for the United-Kingdom, prepared in 1940 by the SS General Walter Schellenberg, foresaw the apprehension of about 2800 prominent british citizens, amongst whom was Lord Baden-Powell and the main leaders of the International Boy Scouts Bureau.

The invasion plan was accompanied by the document, “Informationsheft Groß Britannien” a book with information on British society: the administration, the education system, media, religious groups, political parties, unions, organizations of migrants , Freemasonry, Jewish organizations, police, secret services, described under the Nazi perspective.

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All these elements proves the lack of mutual sympathy that was between the Nazi regime Baden Powell and the Scout Movement. They should encourage todays Scouts to reflect on their history to better understand the reality of their mission of peace, and to guard themselves against totalitarian regimes that have always tried to prohibit or restrict the Movement.

The link is here.

On 6/9/2020 at 2:28 AM, WAKWIB said:

Our council is going forward with summer camp starting in July.  Lot's of policy and protocol to follow to keep in line with CDC guidelines. I'm not sure how much "fun" it will be for the adult leaders and the camp staff, but I hope it will be a good time for the Scouts.  For the first time in many years, I won't be going there for a weekend visit or two due to a very strict no-visitor policy.

Fred Harvey-ish tables of 8 in the dining halls of HRB and Naish, and mass picnic tables under the shelter of Bear Camp. .  I wonder how Camper Timmy and his leaders will eat?

Serious question

Philmont is a significant property, but by mortgaging it, someone else holds its title. 

Summit Bechtel:  Who really owns the land?

Northern Tier:  As I understand it, BSA has a few small enclaves on Federal land...true?

Sea Base:  Again, what, three small enclaves with access to a lot of open water?

It seems to me the market value of the land is not exactly what will satisfy the plaintiffs, unless they accept pennies on the dollar claims ... and that’s before The lawyers get their cut...

@CynicalScouter

here

https://scoutingwire.org/bsa-membership-fee-increase-details-and-faq/?fbclid=IwAR16VajHDXlujmMe6yUlpWRyp7ajG15VLkMUkTD1ZDUc_-WLTPn1gc4CuMc

11 hours ago, jjlash said:

Summit has specific health procedures for everyone visiting the reservation, and we are working with Summit medical staff to adjust our program for things like group size and number of tents.

Please share these specific procedures beyond the HA health form...

13 hours ago, carebear3895 said:

Scouting/USA coming back from the dead?! Get your red berets, gents!

Ding dong the beret is dead, the beret is dead, THE BERET IS DEAD

At this time, both Heart of America and Pony Express Council have moved Scout Camp to the right and cut the number of sessions. 
 

don’t know about Pony Express for Cub Day Camp. HOAC has moved Cub Day Camp to the window July 13 to August 13. 

16 hours ago, 5thGenTexan said:

Would it be inappropriate for me to call out everyone in our leadership in a committee message reminding those that have YPT expiring in the next few months so I am not singling him out?  Even though he outta be singled out?   And I understand this is not the job of the CM, but I tend to find things that need to be done and do them.  Its my nature.

It IS in your lane to say “If you have any contact with youth, your youth protection must be current. Please attend to it, I’d hate to have to remove you from an event for it. “

All,

FYI and action

VA has announced there will not be “flags in” events at the National Cemeteries this year before Memorial Day. 
VA has further announced there will not be public ceremonies on Memorial Day this year. 
Only families of deceased veterans will be granted admittance, as I understand the message. 
 

If you’re a Commish or program officer (CM/SM/Advisor), here is the National Cemetery Administration website. 
 

This is not open for discussion on Scouter. If you take umbrage with the VA decision, contact your Senators and Representatives. 
 

https://www.cem.va.gov

On 5/12/2020 at 12:09 PM, HashTagScouts said:

Go to your COR/IH.  Committee Chair at the Pack level is the position they appoint, and cubmaster is appointed by them, so you are unfortunately not on equal footing here to deal with it yourself.  Not having valid YPT is not okay.

THIS IS THE ANSWER. As CM, you have that as an option.

You should also reach out to your unit commissioner. 

Trev,

Add in two other factors ... Covid-19 and bankruptcy will put a further brake on any action involving Irving. 

Heart of America Council has moved all day camps to the right. The earliest begins July 6, the latest ends August 6. 
 

https://www.hoac-bsa.org/day-camp

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I talked with two friends. One is on the National Camping AND National Special needs Committees.  The other is a current SE. 

From the first, a conference call last week had 450 folks on it.   
From the second, each states health department has a majority vote on any and all camps opening up.

1 hour ago, BBQ said:

AAs a Scout leader, I am concerned that BSA and the councils are not showing leadership.

I sadly agree.  First, I hope the Council and National liability carriers are giving non negotiable guidance!  Second, I pray no corona outbreaks happen During or after camp, because those families will OWN their councils. 

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Temporarily locked. 

I suspect at the moment the issue is funding...

You’re writing program at the 500 foot level.

What you need to do is what Baden Powell did.  Write a book.  Write it so the boys will love it. Then, test your principles in a single unit environment. 

BTW, wrestling isn’t a contact sport?  I’m laughing. 

I got an answer from my friend.  The cash flow isn’t there, in major part because the events aren’t there. A lot of Council fundraising happens in the spring. Community FOS luncheons, golf tournaments, shotgun and sporting clays tournaments, all create income.  When they don’t happen, and thanks to Covid they aren’t, Councils and yes National are like any other business ... they have to cut back. Councils only have two resources:  People and property. Guess which is easier to dispose on a dime?  People. 

I have a friend who has been an SE, and is now a volunteer in a couple areas. I will ask. 

Your Council has a special needs operating committee. Ask your DE for their phone number. 
 

Hundreds of Scouts, in many Councils, have faced this challenge. Your need is to tap into the knowledge and make what’s unknown to you, known!

Good hunting.