John-in-KC

Use Green Bar Bill’s method, but move them away from adults teaching/learning to youth doing it. 

As you teach, train roses and thorns ... share the pluses and minuses. 

I wish these young ladies well. 

Closed while the moderators discuss. 

Most Federal agency protective details are formed of commissioned law enforcement officers. 

4 hours ago, David CO said:

All we need now is a rubber chicken. Or does the dining hall already have that in abundant supply?

You’re lucky I’d it’s only rubber. My last chicken dinner at camp, it was stone. 

My two cents on the topic.

Chartered Partner asserts its ownership of the unit with a written mandate to Scouts and Scouters alike:

We will follow BSA policies of no weapons, alcohol, tobacco , vaping materials etc may be possessed by any Scout or Scouter at Boy Scout Reservations

We will follow Camp Whodunit, BSAs policy of an adult supervising administration of medications .  Four adults, to provide two pair of two deep leadership, will hold and supervise dispensing of meds per the Scout’s daily schedule.

The leaders of Troop 123 will load for camp the night before departure. During loading, each Scout and Scouters camp box or backpack will be thoroughly checked for unauthorized/illegal materials. This include the handover of medications and dispensing times to leadership.  Materials found will be given to the parents, but the

The consequence for possessing the materials above is Parent pick up of their youth at camp, termination of the youths membership, notification of the local council under applicable child abuse law, and handover of the youths’ records in Troop 123 to the family  

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1 hour ago, Scoutmomonly said:

David CO I said half of the involved families. Not half the unit. I agree there is a unit issue. I have tried repeatedly to address this. The conversation is one sided. You can’t solve an issue when only one side sees an issue. 

The items found have not been prohibited/regulated in the previous four years these scouts attended this camp. Nor was their current status well communicated. 

Look, I’m all for following the rules and expectations. I’m a teacher. I also co-led this troop at this particular summer camp outing two years ago. I was unable to due to surgery last year. I get the struggles and liabilities.  I’ve been in this guy’s spot. However, I would never violate a scout by going through his personal belongings while he was out of camp. Especially not the older boys who have a more developed sense of identity. Maybe that’s because I’m a female and I am well aware of the delicate balance I would find myself in by doing that. But I think it is just basic human decency to stay out of things that don’t belong to you. If I had a concern, I would find a more respectful way to handle it.  Obviously, a more immediate threat would warrant a search. But let’s remember, he was concerned about wet clothes and trash initially. There was no perceived threat of any kind. 

Are you registered?  Are you trained as a member of committee?  Have you considered taking the scoutmaster training?

finally, the Guide to Safe Scouting applies ONLY to units operating outside a long term Scout Camp operated by the council. Scout Camps, from Day Camp up to the National bases, operate under National Camp Standards. A few Scout Camps, including Philmont Training Center, operate under American Camps Association accreditation.

Moved to open discussion program for a few days, then back to summer camp

Welcome @Scoutmomonly.

most Scour reservations have a policy that prescriptions must be held by adults. 

As for cell phones, what is your Troops policy?

Once again, a unit troop trailer was stolen from the Chartered Partner’s parking lot.  It’s from a unit I know, so it really sucks  

Friends, if you’re an IH, COR, or CC, you’ve some work to do...

Annually, empty out the trailer and do a physical, photographic inventory. 

Document your inventory on some form of spreadsheet. Tents, camp stoves, gas bottles all add up quick.

Put the trailer/contents on the Chartered partner’s property/casualty policy, or obtain one

WHY ALL THIS?  BE PREPARED.  

Get and use a hitch lock.

Through your local police, get and use a tire “boot”.

Deep etch on the frame and walls unit and Chartered partner info  

Make your trailer not worth the time to steal.

may it never happen to you  

@Alfy04, welcome to the forums. 

Leave him at camp. 

Heres my question for you?  Why isn’t his troop camping every month, and why isn’t he going camping?

Welcome to Scouter, @scoffman

There was just some policy guidance from National on the design of ranges. You might want to read it to see how it fits a long KD range

https://www.scouting.org/outdoor-programs/shooting-sports/

https://i9peu1ikn3a16vg4e45rqi17-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/rangedesign.pdf

I grew up in the 60s and 70s. Burning the flag was a protest. Retiring it meant making it cease to be a Flag, THEN properly destroying it. 

I was taught cutting one from another makes it cease being a Flag, you are then destroying two pieces of cloth. 

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This isn’t controversial moved to open discussion, program.

Reasons to retire a flag...

It doesn’t represent the current States of the United States (48 or 49 stars, there are still a few around)

It’s frayed, or has been burnt partially, or has been stained such that the stain is visible after cleaning. 

Minimum to destroy

cut the Canton from the Field

place each part in the fire. 

Everything else, to one degree or another, is gilding the lily. 

I’d be careful of @SSScout‘s suggestion. I’ve seen a few toxic/vindictive leaders along the trail. Some of them had the ability to make other folks lives outside of Scouting miserable

5 hours ago, Momleader said:

It’s a shame about the injured child - but Would this have made news or the parents sue if he was building this in the yard at his neighbors house?  

Depends on the city. 

Leave. This will go from being a passion to being day job WORK. 

We do this because we love it.  If it’s unlovable, don’t let it suck the juices out of you. 

G2SS age appropriate activity guide requires the catapault/trebuchet munition to be no larger than a tennis ball and soft. 

Ripe Tomatoes, yes. Potatoes, no.

IMO the leader on this activity will soon have his membership revoked, and BSA will be eating liability. Stand by for a new prohibition. 

@BlueTrails_Vet Welcome to Scouter dot com.

I see two issues here. The first is training. I see people who don’t understand the Outdoors, Patrol, and Adult Association methods. I also see people who do not understand the aims of scouting.  The second is the chartered partner apparently does not understand its duties under the franchise agreement (charter).

Basically, you have three choices...

Do nothing, or what little you can without rocking the boat

Attempt to be an agent of change, with the possible consequence you are told you’re no longer welcome. 

Quietly exit the side door after finding a unit which runs properly.

it all depends on how much baloney you want to eat on the trail.  In the meantime, regardless, take as much BSA training as you can. Know what right looks like. 

I wish you well.

As far as age of Scouts are concerned, use mature judgment and common sense to see how the youth sort themselves out.  National’s health and safety lawyers can be 27 different kinds of paranoid, the unit serving direct contact leader has to make it work. 

@WolfDenRulz, welcome to Scouter.