John-in-KC

Actually, from my perspective, it was tougher to get Eagle then than now.  We had to earn ONE required MB to Star, and only five to Life. That meant you were still on the uphill side of things. 

First, welcome to the forums.

Second, do you own the title to the property?  That’s a rhetorical question, I read your post. 

You volunteered to salvage a building the Council owned ... remember, when a charter folds, title to the remaining real property reverts to the partner or the Council. 

let me make this simple:  Scoutreach youth need fun and learning too.  It’s the job of leaders to figure out what will get their attention.
 

Good luck and good hunting. 
 

19 hours ago, RichardB said:

Is someone who collects bitcoin practicing numismatics?  

Economics. 

I had this conversation with my banker. They sadly could not back out of a new lease. COVID has proven they don’t need a lot of office space, they’d be better off with a power, phone and internet allowance and home offices, with a conference room and 1/1 rooms for when live meetings are essential. 

My opinion only.   
 

The chartered partner, through the COR, should provide hard policy level limits on what the troop can and cannot do. In the current state of flux of National, they own more risk, IMO, than they used to.

Troop committee, thinking about what CO imposed, should factor in any guidance from the Council  

The SM, CC, COR, and SPL should have a quiet talk over cocoa about what the limits mean  

SM should be there to help SPL form a planning meeting of PLC, which includes the limits.

Youth ownership of the program decisions matters  

Moderator note

please stay on topic. 

The betting pool is open

i give the next suit ... six months. 

Welcome to the Scouter Forums!
 

Let’s start with the first idea

Why don’t you let the youth do the planning?

our role as leaders is to help them grow. 
Program, what do the youth want To do?

Food, what do the youth want to cook?

Location, where do The youth want to camp?

Right now, my first impression is this is an Adult Run Troop Method troop.  Oh, wait. Those are not methods!

@RichardB  Mr Bourleon, what’s ground truth, please?

The info was destroyed by the hackers. Right. 
 

we are going to get flooded in crap by the ambulance chasers. 

17 hours ago, Jameson76 said:

First question, why is this from the CTO (I assume of the BSA but it does not actually specify) and not our new BSA President?  Either you OWN what happens on your watch or you don't.  Guess he doesn't.  Candidly not assured (even though they told me twice to be assured).  Well, we were notified promptly 174 DAYS after the initial breach.  That is some fine detecting work there Lou.  Pretty sure all that background detail everyone sent in at the end of the year is in a SUPER SECRET file that nobody can get to 😝

 

 

This is industry practice. The CTO owns the technology decisions.

A friend of mine is a project teams executive at CISCO. He shared this with me. I post it here verbatim.

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In case you missed it - Massive data breach at Blackbaud who holds data on many education programs - but most relevant to you is their hosting of BSA data. From the letter - 

"According to Blackbaud, the cyber-attack was successfully stopped, and the cybercriminals were expelled from its system. However, Blackbaud informed us that the cybercriminals did remove a copy of a backup file that it stored as part of its ordinary course of operations. We believe that file may have contained limited non-financial information, such as your contact information, date of birth, limited demographic data and a history of your relationship with the BSA. 

Blackbaud assured us that, based on the nature of the incident, their research, and law enforcement’s investigation, the stolen data has been destroyed and there is no reason to believe any data went beyond the cybercriminals, was or will be misused, or will be disseminated or otherwise made available publicly. 

We do not believe there is a need for you to take any action at this time. As a best practice, we recommend that you remain vigilant and promptly report any suspicious activity or suspected identity theft to the proper authorities."

On 7/26/2020 at 9:46 PM, TAHAWK said:

 

AP calls them: "Protesters."

I call that a riot. 

On 7/18/2020 at 8:30 AM, David CO said:

I'm not sure what the age of the tent has to do with it, but we have some old tents they could use, if that would help.

If I have to treat you like a Bobcat Cub Scout I can. Please do me a favor and delete your reply. When i see you have, I will delete this. 

On 7/18/2020 at 12:09 PM, mashmaster said:

 

He did explain to me how Sea Scouts were part of Exploring for many years and advancement worked the same. So that isn't an issue in my mind anymore.

They were part of Exploring because Exploring was the senior youth program of BSA, before the creation of venturing and lfl. 

A few years back, I talked to Western Los Angeles Council (once the San Fernando Valley Council, the council of my youth)) about record retention.  To say that files from 30 years ago are long gone is an understatement.  Finding youth and adults from the Boomer and much of the Gen X era is a pipe dream. 

My personal thoughts:

National is short the funds to make down payments when they sign the various contracts, and their bankruptcy masters refused to allow them to draw on debt.  I think Irving is hiding this reason from its customer base  

Covid is a concern.  We are talking about a small city, and that city would lack the spacing even an ordinary apartment provides. You’d need 4x the tent age for staff alone.  

Finally, not every vendor has a cancellation clause, indeed some have forfeiture clauses. 

Welcome, let me put the answers in order for you

1) DO NOTHING ON YOUR OWN. Involve the CC and the COR. This impacts your chartered partner. 
2) Request your chartered partner consult their attorney. There is a matter of who has what parental and guardianship rights. 
3) outside of the CC and COR, do not say a word of this to anyone. You slander/libel any of the adults involved, they can own the chartered partner and you 

Do only what the CC and COR together tell you to do  

Finally, instruct the grandparents to do all further communication with the CC and COR  

Good luck. 

MOD NOTE

Because of the cancellation/postponement, I’ve moved this to open discussion program and renamed it

I was searching for the way forward graphic and encountered this...

Its from a Michigan Council. 

The families are required to release the council from COVID liability as an inherent risk. 

If this is National policy, I’m out of here. 

https://michiganscouting.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Youth-Waiver.pdf

I have the feeling this graphic is not for public dissemination. 

On 6/24/2020 at 10:30 AM, RememberSchiff said:

06/24/20 Update:  Local Boy Scouts organization discussing status of Marge Schott's name on building, lake

Dan Beard Council CEO Andy Zahn told The Enquirer Tuesday the Boy Scouts abhor racism and are deciding what to do about the controversial former Cincinnati Reds owner's name on a lake at Camp Friedlander and The Marge Schott Scout Achievement Center in Evendale.

"The Dan Beard Council is actively listening to our Scouting families and the community, and we are discussing the right path forward with our board of directors," Zahn said in an emailed statement. Zahn did not offer more details or a timeline.

Other Greater Cincinnati organizations have dropped "Schott's name due to her record of racist and bigoted remarks". 

More at source:

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2020/06/24/marge-schott-dan-beard-council-boy-scouts-discuss-name/3248829001/

My two cents:  If she donated the property and built the building, and the Council opts to rename them, then the Council owes her heirs the money back, with interest equal to the annual rates of inflation. 
 

It’s the right thing to do. 

Have you called your unit commissioner and DE?  

Have you gone to the scouting.org website?

The program you seek is Scouts BSA. 

On 6/16/2020 at 1:11 PM, Momleader said:

Our CO, church in town ,  gave the pack meeting space for free, our school system charges to have meetings in the schools in the evening  to cover the cost of having a custodian there to clean and lock up.  with COVID the CO has halted the use of the building to all until september.  Heard through the church secretary they may only have be having church services there and no extra meetings allowed (they will still store our stuff)  and the word from the school district is schools may only be used for school related sports after hours at the middle and high school, elementary schools won't be used after school hours except by afterschool care.  Puts us in a bit of a bind to find places to have den and pack meetings without a community center building in town.

 

When I was a Cub Scout, the den mother held den meetings at her home.  I should know, Mom was my Den Mother.