jbroganjr

Never questioned your intent, just your delivery. If you are dropping down to a level of "baiting", are you no different then folks that do not follow the program? "Let he with no sin, cast the first stone" I respectively point out that you are jumping and judging a person unprovoked in this thread. Pointing out the invalidation of a person argument is helpful, but i think you have veered into a personality conflict with some folks, i.e. evmori. He may or may not be right, there is only the postings, we do not have face and observation in action. I fully understand citing chapter and ver

Dsteele, great suggestion about the bank. Who makes the rules - in our troop the plc and they have a rule about electronic stuff. and their rule is that the rule is determined by the outing. As for cell phones, the older boys have a problem with the younger/new scouts. Why, the experience factor of homesickness. The older boys realize it is easier for the scouts not to have complete and total access. On a side note here, to Bob White. A scout is courteous, kind and cheerful. Scouting is a brotherhood, composed of dedicated people, even folks like evmori. While I do not always agree with

BW I am replying to the devil's advocate, as I know it is addressed at mysefl in particular, as it is my post and use of those words that prompted this thread. First off, RT, which is my primary job. Part of RT's job is provide additional training and modeling of behavior. Actually, I think that done right, Devil's advocate works well at a RT discussion. It is a method to stand wrongness or myths on their head. An example in use. When presenting recruitment ideas. My flip chart contains some funny or abnormal thoughts, like the first one - "Recruitment....we're against it" Ano

Bob White do you have supply number on that video. Look it up on scoutstuff but could not find it. tx j

I think the tenure requirement of 3-6 years is the way to go. The mention of patches and job ownership is novel, but a bit heavy handed, yet the further explanation of the motive sheds some more light on the situation. This is a great RT discussion, for sure, but I wonder how many folks will feel umbrage at talking about this. In the cub program, it is a reality that the leadership of the unit is constantly changing, but not as much in the boy scout program. As for commissioners, I imagine that part of the problem may be need, as per the commissioners newsletter, it is stated that just abo

I have always believed in treated the boys like the mature people they are, especially at summer camp. As to calling home, I only ask that the boys let me know if they are or have called home from camp. I even show them the phone at the camp. {including correcting the camp director who told the troop that the pay phones are broken at camp...I don't believe in lying to the kids, we go to another camp now) The dilema: Last years cross overs seem to be a bit on the immature level, and the homesickness was at a level I'd never seen before (been going to camp for years). I discovered two things.

Tried that twice, it only increased homesickness. In fact, boys that had gotten over the mid week hump crashed and burn on the last day of camp when letters from home arrived... Those two boys ended up quiting scouts... why...reason given...camp was toohard...interpretation...to emotionally hard.

Our district chair once or twice a year lets all the SM at RT know a compliation of answers to one question that is asked What would you change about scouting The number one answer is (drum roll please) "less adult involvement" which is a common thought on this forum. Maybe this is a thought that should be shared in more districts?

A couple of questions Does this process happen with every eagle scout in your unit? or is this a matter of "We'll make sure he earns it!" And if this the way this unit thinks Eagle SM Conferences are, are they pulling this nonsense w/ Stars and Life? Ultimately, though, this is wrong, and should not be tolerated. It is just so wrong, after a young man has gone through the hard work, planning and completion of an eagle project to have the end process tainted. Even, you, jyoklavich, made such a telling statement "I am on a polictical tight rope, with my Son Eagle rank at risk, and kno

Oooops, I see BW has already cited the correct manual.

jkoklavich Let me add some comfort to you concerning the SM and Eagle BoR. YOU CAN always appeal this decision. The process is listed in the publication concerning advancement, I do not have it here to cite the exact name and number, Bob White will hopefully bail me out and supply the information. Have you talked to the District Advancement Chair about this situation? If all goes completely wrong with the unit, it is up to the district Adv. Chair to process this. I believe he is the path with which you appeal, again I don't have the manual in front of me, so please refer to the offic

ASM514 Give a guy a break, I thought that my last post was actually the most positive one yet on woodbadge. I am not indicted WB, but in honesty, I am not hesitant to tell my story. I realize that this is my story, my side my version etc. "jbroganjr, like I said before, I know a lot of WB's that do not deserve the honor because they mised the training in the biginning, or just never got the program. What did you learn in NLE, ODLS training that made you decide to take WB? Did you take NLE, or ODLS?" Why did I take WB - to seek out new life and new adventure, to boldly go where no

A good friend of mine pointed out that scouting is it for some kids...they just aren't going to make it on a sports team etc. I think that to be active is to be active and to quantify that participation may be the bane of many a scoutmaster as each case will be different. We do not want to lose the future Hank Aarons of the world but neither do we want to lose the kids for whom "scouting is it" if we bend so far or at all for busy kids. One interesting guideline mentioned in these threads is about how kids learn about teamwork and discipline with sports, the same applies for scouting and s

Great topic Bob. Here are some thoughts that were sent to me years ago. We rely on the SM, ASM, BoR interviews to assemble a "picture" of how busy a scout is. The SM and advancement chair try to work with a scout who may not be available during part of the year because of other involvements. These kids are busy nowadays and knowing their situation(s) only helps in setting them up for success. Star For Star rank, you have to serve in a troop leadership position. Did you serve well and help out the troop, or did you miss meetings, show up unprepared, not get things done, etc.? Ar

www.kudu.net or www.kudu.org, one of those should work

I may be wrong on this, I do not have all the literature in front of me, but, the SM or his designee, are the folks that "present" the JLT. That said, it is an added benefit to have the senior boys involved. I believe it is set up this way so that the training follows the program and that adults help guide the follow up discussions of each training module. There is a new version of troop JLT out there (actually it is 2 yr. old) with a video and syllabus. If you haven't done one in a while, this training stuff is good. (Year after year, though, the boys catch on and try to give "right" ans

I agree with the principle of the description, but in reality if there are a 1,000 volunteer jobs, there is normally 333 people wearing three hats. Which brings up another thought, which I would think every district will find beneficial...where to locate volunteers for the commissioner jobs. We go over the "Eagle" list, try to get "outside" help, especially with the district fundraising, but commissioners can be hard to come by. Also dsteele, never thought about getting the mailings and "special" stuff in scouting... a great point and added benefit.

kwc57 Yeah, that's the course It is not sold as a "Elite" but "Premiere" scout training. I was excited to go and left very disappointed (see other thread) WB is very organized, very time consuming (vacation will never be compared to WB, it is a lot of work), etc. As for the secrecy thing, Eliminate it. A better course description could be made out for distribution. Even knowing what the syllabus is, should not detract from an optimally presented woodbadge. As for each course being different that is because each course has a change of staff and new attendees. Each course has to

You can file this under useless information. but my field and experience is in graphic design and publishing so here is the "stuff happens" One, As with all book projects of this nature, there are many many people involved and no matter how stringent the deadline, there are always "ooops" missed that (insert here ) section, mispelling, oh boy they might be offended including and up to "wow, the finished project doesn't look anything like the stated goal, let's start over" Two, this process will start all over again, once the "finished" graphic artwork is sent back. Three, the lawyers

we are the dinosoaurs... big Bodies, little brains, Favorite saying: "you'd think a (PL, 1st class, star scout, etc) would know how figure that out, wouldn't ya?"

FScouter I heard the same nonsense at Woodbadge on the Leave No Trace lecture. I asked to see the goverment application form or job description for the ranger who has to enforce this supposed requirement. What's next, Scouters bringing pooper scoopers to the woods to clean up after the animals?

Eamonn Yes, you brought a tear to my eye...the pain is so real and these scouters taking your course will never really understand the herculian effort you have made. On another note, I will have to give the course some credit. I was a chaplains aide (funny since I play devil's advocate so often) at the course and that training came into play over the weekend. At our district camporee, the catholic priest canceled at the last minute, the presbyterian minister forgot... and a brand new scout on his first outing reminded us that he and his parents really need him to go to a catholic mas

I'll bite, not my tongue tho' As for point one about attendees wanting something that is not scouting, I'll share my experience, right or wrong, I know I'm inviting criticism but so be it. I was asked a bunch of years ago to be the asst CSRTC with a newguy who was brand new to our district/council. Why, because I asked and aksed the Chairman and commissioner why RT was just a "Moan" session (I normallyuse a different descriptive word for this) to complain about council and professionals. The two of us decided without benefit of an evaluation to install a conventional RT program (My

I think that while we have to model i agree that we don't have to go down t being 8 yrs old month after month. I have tried this, did not work out so well, but I will try this again: Craft show, instead of making crafts, have the units bring in samples of crafts made already. Skits: I agree wholeheartedly on tired skits so i love paper bag dramatics. Bunch of stuff, a couple lines of suggestions and the group comes up with a two minute "act" this allows the scouters who don't like to perform to participate without being center stage. It models Plan B situations, creativity etc. Songs: Ol

sctleader You are right on on what is presented at the course. I did not find it life changing nor challenging and it was comprised equally of contact scouters and leadersheep. As posted elsewhere I did not think it delivered the "ultimate in boy scout training" rather it was a imitation of professional courses presented in the corporate world done by volunteer scouters. there is not much time in the new course to "bond" with patrol members. that happens outside in patrol meetings. As for the secrecy, yes has that mystery feeling, but I can live with it. I have never experience a G