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OGE - this never made it to the COR, who I am sure would want this scouter involved. I will try to find out the rest of the story, but I think it is the same ol, same ol, . This is a troop that seems destined to have a small number of scouts. Observed on my part is that the youth membership (excepting new scouts) is comprised mostly of boys whose parents are involved with the troop. To further complicate matters, this women was a dynamic cub scouter, won cub scouter of th year at our district awards dinner. the leader of the other den that bridged, was just told he is not going to camp, even

BW - didn't read thru your last post. But this person was then shown the back door and the only conflict was one manufactured by the SM.

Thank you everyone for the responses.

BW - chapter and verse would be nice here. How or what, is the guideline(s) behind the denial?

Now the rest of the story... maybe cause she is a women and two, as the pack camp coordinator last year, there was a misunderstanding between the SM and a parent. The SM came home a day early from cub camp with his son and another boy. the other boys mom was not happy. the camp coordinator pointed out a pack ldrs meeting that the mom was upset and that the folks involved should talk to each other and straighten this out. TheSM interpreted this to be a personal attach on himself. Which it wasn't

Can a registered scouter, with an outstanding record, training and positive attitude be denied from joining a troop. This person is currently registered with a pack, won the district's cub scouter of the year award, been the pack leader for two years at resident camp for webelos, is an avid outdoorsperson, has earned a doctorate, been a Cub leader for 4 years, had the den grow from during the time of tenure (which goes against the norm). The CC and SM did not want this person as an ASM, and suggested there may be a spot on the committee. Even informed this person about training in the fall '

One thing that is emphasized in our YPT is that the two deep leadership is also for the leaders proctection. In our litigious society, it is better to have the protection of two "witnessess" involved with the activities. This was brought up and agreed upon principle, in addition to the stated YPT guidelines by the Asst. D.A., DYFYS rep, Def. Att. and S.E. at the YPT training seminar. The reasoning here was that kids sometimes lie and it is better to have another responsible adult (Like BW pointed out, trained or the parent of an involved scout) as a witness to the scouting activity. there whe

i would like to thank everyone for their replies. Since BALOO training has been out, there has been the misperception that now cub packs can come camp with alongside the troops at camporees. The responses here, especially the webelos woods, are a great solution to help alleviate this misperception. I also like the idea of having a separate camporee program where the packs can camp out over night. After our council merger a few years ago, the idea of having the webelos come along with the troops has been widespread and active in all the districts of our council, that is where my belief o

That's old one, but i stil chuckle every time i read it.

A couple of things on this thread. It seems that the folks from COL want this change because of financial hardship. It was also posted that national left them out to dry on this matter, especially concerning the money. Is this not the pain of staying the same which is allowing the pain of change (Pun intended). Membership also can equate Money. The motivationof COL really comes across as financial/P.C. instead a true belief in the "wrongs" of exclusion. Maybe the solution to the problem is to hold forth the ideals and seek out new revenue generating ideals. As for change, (correct

I used to be an Owl, a singed feathered owl A wise ole bird, ruler of the night and without all that bradiggio of the eagles, and a much larger brain than the bob whites Speaking of birds, my patrol mate put to rest all this sillyness of the "better bird" with the story of the hummingbird and why it does not sing. On the six day of creation, God made the animals. And all the angels where amazed, especially by the birds who could fly and float like themselves. So they had a competition and the winner of the contest would be given the greatest singing voice. The competition was simpl

Scouting is supposed to be fun, not just for the boys, but for you also. If you have exhausted yourself with the parents and the pack committee, then you have every right to turn this boy away from your den. You have not kicked him out of scouting, you have place the responsibility for this boy back onto the parent as well as the committee. If you are not having fun, I can guarantee you your boys are not having fun. Remember, you are a volunteer and a parent, not a psychologist, a sociologists, etc. Scouting provides the program by which the boys develop and have fun. It provides the supp

re you mad? Haven't you heard that a committe is made up as a body with lots of legs and no head? All kidding aside. There is an advancement committee of at least 3 people for balance and fairness to the scouts. Then there is the troop committee and the size of this is proportional to the size of the troop. In the troop committee guidelines (not sure if that is the correct name of the book) there is a list of jobs and details of the jobs. On that committee there has to be a committee chair (so at least this committee has a head), an advancement chair (also in charge of the advancement comm

#1 - ASM serve at the bequest of the SM. #2 - The Committee is there to support the PLC and the SM to provide the BSA program #3 - council is council, the troop is the troop. Just 'cause he's on a council committee, shouldn't mean squat with the troop, when addressing this issue. I would suggest removing him. Yes it is harsh, but you have cited a history here. 1, To have this reaction over a non important rule like cokes is inane, It is just dangerous that he did not understand or realize that this is health related. 2. Okay, let's say this guy is stressed and got angry, due to cha

I appreciate the answers. The reason I ask, for the last two years, cub packs in our district feel they are being slighted by not being allowed to camp at the camporees. 2 yr. Webelos are welcome to camp at any camporee in our district, as long as they are with a troop.

Eamonn I would like to second my support for your approach. When it comes to finance and membership, I think outside scouting is a great way to go. New Ideas, new approaches, new networking. The secondary gain is the positive message of scouting has been pushed outwards to folks who do not have a scouting background, but still signed on to help. The other gain, less reliance on the same group of scouters to get everything done. I welcome our district looking outside for finance and membership, as it allows scouters to concentrate on providing program. It allows our chairman not only dive

I believe that the "Rule of Three" or "Always Three" comes from Seminary practices. Basically the rule is that there are always three. I think that this phrase is not promoted in scouts as it becomes too confusing with the 2 deep leadership. But in application, it would cover the part in the G2SS concerning the scenerio where there were not 2 deep in a car driving to an event, so there would have to be one adult and at least 2 youth.

I would like to know the many varied thoughts on this subject. Should cub packs camp at camporees like the troops do? Or should the cub packs camp at a different cub venue, i.e. their own camporee. Do you think this takes away from the boy scout camporee program, which is set up for a weekend of camping. Do you think this would diminish the excitement that a cub has in looking forward to joining boy scouts. I do believe/encourage webelos dens to camp with a troop at all camporees, this thread is directed at cub packs camping alongside troops. Your thoughts?

Could this be case of boys doing everything to meet MB/service requirements and not enough on the "provide leadership" part. Granted this should not be the case, but I have seen a couple of cases this year in the district where the brakes where applied. Why? not for a SM ego, but for the scout to demonstrate leadership in his position. Each case was different, but the theme was kinda the same. Against the rules, probably, against better judgement, depends on the merits of the case. I would suggest following Ole Grey Eagle recommendation and find out why.

onehour has some great suggestions. I would also seek out the webelos to scout transition. If your pack does not have it, the unit commissioner or the RT commissioner should have it. Round Table will (should) run a webelos to scout transition session, find out and go! One of the hardest things, when visiting a troop for the first time, is to get by the "boy run" thing. In cubs, us adults run the show, in the troop, the Senior Patrol Leader (SPL) runs the show, much like cubmaster. It can appear chaotic. The webelos to Scout transition should have a troop visitation check list. Take the

onehour has some great suggestions. I would also seek out the webelos to scout transition. If your pack does not have it, the unit commissioner or the RT commissioner should have it. Round Table will (should) run a webelos to scout transition session, find out and go! One of the hardest things, when visiting a troop for the first time, is to get by the "boy run" thing. In cubs, us adults run the show, in the troop, the Senior Patrol Leader (SPL) runs the show, much like cubmaster. It can appear chaotic. The webelos to Scout transition should have a troop visitation check list. Take the

Your Council professionals will probably just love to have a talk with your SM.... In our council, D.E.'s are apprised of where units go to summer camp as well as the numbers of boys, percentage-wise. Why? Well they want us to use the council camps. Every year, either in person at RT or on the phone, units are called, in a friendly way, about attending camp. I am pretty sure that there may be some one at your council who could call your SM. Another suggestion is to get the boys to try out the camp as a troop on a weekend getaway. Call up the Camp or Service center to reserve a spot..

The Lord does work in mysterious ways. I would imagine Eamonn that this experience will only reinforce your commitment to mankind and scouting. You are blessed to bear witness to a boy who examplified the Oath and Law and while he might not realize it now, has a solid grasp of what is important. Thank you for sharing this with us and putting the focus where it should be! Thrifty, Brave and Reverent

okay, so not only do we have the boy scout police on board here, but also the english venacular patrol. i write in context, not to have stand alone sentences disected. Does anyone else see the irony here, that when the mirror is faced at BW, his reaction is that of the folks he " As for baiting your quote "I am surprised Ed. Didn't you set the 25 mile per hour speed limit? After all it's your car and your street, so I assumed it was your rule" Can you explain to me exactly how this is not baiting, how this is not unprovoked? Could you point out to me in this thread how evmori has

Here's the flip side. I have had a handicapped scout at camp with nothing listed on his form, even though his handicap was physical as well as mental. He lasted one day. Left camp, left scouts I have had a boy, whose parents told us he had allergy meds sent to the health lodge. No one was told that he had to have them every day. Turns out it was not allergy but anti depressive. The sorry part of this story is that the kid would not take them and spent a week in "hell" at camp as he jumped off the diving board into full blown depression. It is unfair to Scoutleaders, who basically are jus