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  1. After this weekend of kayak camping, the thought struck me that there are very few scouts anymore that can cook individually out of their mess kits. As a matter of fact, very few boys even realize that a mess kit can be used for cooking. Those that have them only use the fry pan for a plate and the cup for their beverage. I cooked a nice meal for 2 people this weekend using 2 mess kits on a wood fire. On my very first Boy Scout activity (I was still wearing my Cub Scout uniform), we hiked 5 miles out of town to a place in the woods. There we individually cooked a meal, cleaned up and hiked back into town. I'll always remember the hike because I got my mom to buy me a small steak. As I think back on the whole process, why was it that I even before I was in Boy Scouts I already knew how to cook in a mess kit? I had to hike, build a fire, cook a meal, clean up and head back. Can some of today's Eagle Scouts do that? Or would their Frisbee melt in the fire? We do a lot with Dutch oven, patrol cooking, maybe a backpack stove here and there on occasion, but how many boys can have a mess kit in their canoe and actually do a traditional shore lunch for themselves? Over the years I have awakened in the morning, gotten a fire started and done blueberry muffins in my mess kit. Yes, even a small cobbler can be done up nicely. Coffee? Yep, that can be made in a mess kit too. One of the requirements for T-2-1 expects the boy to make a meal for himself on a wood fire. How do troops do this? Or is it done utensil-less? Sure we did our stuff on a stick, but with one of the neatest pieces of Scout equipment out there, it begs the question: why not just use your mess kit? Anyone else out there still mess kit cook? Stosh
  2. I didn't want to hijack the other thread... "The Purpose of the OA is: ◦Recognize those who best exemplify the Scout Oath and Law in their daily lives and through that recognition cause others to conduct themselves in a way that warrants similar recognition. ◦Promote camping, responsible outdoor adventure, and environmental stewardship as essential components of every Scout’s experience, in the unit, year-round, and in summer camp. ◦Develop leaders with the willingness, character, spirit and ability to advance the activities of their units, our Brotherhood, Scouting, and ultimately our nation. ◦Crystallize the Scout habit of helpfulness into a life purpose of leadership in cheerful service to others." - from SR540Beaver's post Although traditions can run strong in a culture it often begs the question as to whether or not some of it should be dropped. We as a culture are bending over backwards to be intolerant to those who use references to the aboriginal cultures. How long will it be before that wave of intolerance reaches the BSA and it's OA references to such culture? We got the religious issue to deal with, we have the homosexual issue to deal with, and soon it will be the OA's turn. A bunch of white guys dressing up in less than authentic traditional dress of the culture and make-believing in some sort of ritual reflected of their religion. I'm kind of surprised our culture has let it go on as long as it has. Homosexual and theistic beliefs are morally based, but if one were to use a litmus test of morality with the aboriginal culture usage, one might have a difficult time defending it on any grounds other than simply tradition and that might no longer be appropriate. So, then, where in the purpose of the OA does it reference the need for the aboriginal culture to be used? Could it be better served with something the boys could relate to more directly? Stosh
  3. Stosh

    Virtual Campfire

    I got out my trusty flint and steel. Got the tinder and kindling going and tossed on a couple of logs. Pull up a stump or log, and this thread is not possible to stay on a thread for very long. If it does I will be surprised. Feel free to jump in at any time with whatever might be interesting to others who find a need to warm up. CAUTION: If one has a topic they wish to stay on topic, please post in the proper category! If some adult wand to douse the fire, it's been done before for getting off topic, but they don't have that excuse here. Keep the conversation Scout-like, respect others, and jump in any time. This campfire is especially open to the hundreds of lurkers out there who feel left out of other conversations. I especially like dumb questions because I am well qualified to give dumb answers.
  4. I did a follow up on this and one does NOT have to register as a volunteer, just have a parental permission signed and a photo waiver signed. I checked with our local council and there is such a thing as a Red Cross Club that allows members to register and get ongoing partnership communications with the local chapters. Learning for Life and/or Venturing could easily be set up for this (keep the 16 year age limit in mind). First Aid/CPR/AED instructors can be as young as 16. 18+ year old volunteers who register with ARC get all training for free and are allowed to be deployed to national disaster relief operations anywhere in the US. First Aid/CPR/AED instructors can be as young as 16. Sign up, get the background check, watch the training videos, mark your profile available, you get a call and within 24 hours you are fully immersed in the real world of floods, hurricanes, wildfires, earthquakes, etc. to "help other people at all times." It'll let you know in the first day, whether or not your Eagle rank is for real. My council is looking seriously into partnering with the Red Cross for Blood Drive contacts, Wilderness First Aid, First Aid/CPR/AED, Fire Campaign, Life Saving, etc. In our conversation, a Fire Campaign neighborhood survey would work well as an Eagle Project, "Here's a neighborhood, community, town, etc. we need to know who needs smoke alarms and what kind, knock yourself out." It would take a lot of organizational leadership logistics to pull it off. It's not like a blood drive where all the work is being done by someone else and the Eagle candidate shows up at the end of adult organization and hands out cookies and welcomes people at the door.
  5. You have to register as a volunteer, have parental permission, be over 16, and be accompanied by your parent when installing smoke alarms. If scouts cannot use power-tools they can't participate in the actual installation but all other help is appreciated. If they wish to canvass neighborhoods on their own and report their survey findings, that is great, but check with the local chapter personnel to coordinate efforts with them and to make sure those that wish to get the alarms actually get them. There is a major push twice a year for installations, one in the fall before the winter fire season and again in the spring. In spite of what people read in the news and see on TV, the #1 activity the Red Cross is involved with is the response of Disaster Action Team members to single family fires. Scouts can also help with the Blood Drives by making phone calls and staffing the on-site donation centers. Yes, the scouts will be limited with what they can do, they probably not going to be able to make an Eagle project out of it, but as a service project, it offers a good opportunity to get out and serve in their communities.
  6. Stosh

    OA and the aboriginal cultures

    or the WB beads?
  7. Stosh

    OA and the aboriginal cultures

    https://www.google.com/search?q=ojibwe+pictures&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=6QC3uvvHpjwCQM%3A%2CtJ9YyDuS0AEGxM%2C_&usg=__gJZvB61xXTHHb_nIbBZYDAO3p7U%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnxaDa3PDYAhVr34MKHd1-DCYQ9QEIKzAB#imgrc=6QC3uvvHpjwCQM: How many of your OA boys look like the real Ojibwe (Chippewa) Hiawatha's native tribe? Unfortunately they tend to look like what we think they should look like and don't do the real research.
  8. Stosh

    OA and the aboriginal cultures

    The Buffalo Bill Museum in Cody, WY has displays of the various Indian traditions. No two are alike, but NONE of them look like Hiawatha a fictional character from Longfellow's poem. The real Winnie the Pooh does not look anything like the real Winnie.
  9. Stosh

    Green Wool Jackets

    I have 2 wool Pendleton red jac-shirts. I also have 1 BSA red jac-shirt. I always have to look closely to make sure I grab the right one. If I grab the wrong one, no one has ever noticed.
  10. Have the boys pick their group of friends for a patrol and all this drama goes away.
  11. And if everyone knew and used Robert's Rules of Order, there would be no need for any stick.
  12. So this whole issue begs the question: If a GS/USA Gold Awardee were to join BSA4G, would see qualify for the eagle?
  13. Stosh

    Virtual Campfire

    Hmmm, I have a gal that got fired up about doing a recent service project that she organized a group of elderly ladies, acquired the materials and had everyone pitch in and make lap blankets for all the residents of the local nursing home for Christmas. Sound like an Eagle project? Nope, the gal part gave that away. Did she say she had fun? Nope, not that either. Did she get any credit for it? Nope, but she did put in a public notice of thanks to everyone that helped her. I asked her a couple of Sunday's ago at church coffee fellowship about her "project". She was kinda surprised because she said I was the one that had suggested it. I didn't remember it at all, but it would seem I mentioned it as something the kids in the youth group could do as a service project. They didn't pick up on it as a group and I forgot all about it. She didn't. I had kinda lost track of the kids this fall because I was away on 4 different Disaster Relief Operations for the Red Cross. My curiosity got the best of me finally and I said, if the other kids didn't want to do it, why did she do it anyway. She said that because I do so much for the Red Cross, and Scouts, and Salvation Army, and the Scatter Garden Memorial at the local cemetery, she wanted to know what I knew that she didn't. I asked if she found out. And she said yes. She began a whole litany of things. She felt excited about the project, she made new friends in a group of people 50 years older than her, she learned to use a sewing machine, she was amazed at the generosity of people's donations of fabric and batting for the blankets, and amazed the ladies would stop their regular sewing projects for the church just to help her. Then she said getting to hand out the lap blankets to the residents made her cry. ??? Because the residents were crying when she tucked the blankets in and around some of them. So, where's her Life to Eagle booklet? Didn't do one. Proposal? didn't have one. Plan? Did use one. Advisor/mentor? Didn't get one Signatures? Didn't need any. Did she get any credit for any of this? Not at all. But she did tell me she found out what I know that she didn't know before.
  14. Stosh

    Ireland seeks Eagle now before she ages out

    Over the course of about 13 years of running a Venturing Crew, I had 7 boys Eagle. Of all the boys with Scouting backgrounds, i.e. dual registered, troop/crew, only one did not Eagle. I did not have any that earned any Venturing awards. The boys knew I was dual registered as Venturing/Scouting and respected my promptings to stick with the troop and get their Eagle. I didn't need to pressure any of the boys, we were picking up some of the top scouts in the council and surrounding councils and I didn't really need to push any of them along. I simply stated my preferences and like I said 7 Eagled, one did not.
  15. Stosh

    Virtual Campfire

    We live in a competitive society. Caring community went out the window back in the '60's.
  16. Stosh

    Virtual Campfire

    Are you sure this was written by Murray? It sounds like something my wife would write in my biography now that I'm 67 years old.
  17. Stosh

    Virtual Campfire

    I had a '70 Maverick ($1,995 new) the floorboards gave out before the engine.
  18. Stosh

    Virtual Campfire

    It is recommended that one change the oil every 3,000 miles. Like that's going to make it easy to keep track of. So I change my oil every 5,000 miles. That's easy to keep track of. 1) '74 Chevy Nova 78,000 miles 2) '87 Dodge Class-B Camper 115,000 miles 3) '98 Saturn 155,000 miles 4) '06 Honda CR-V 198,000 miles 5) '04 Ford F-150 220,000 miles The Mrs. wants a new CR-V. I might have to break down and get her one. She says the new ones have more features and cup holders.
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    Virtual Campfire

    I knew a guy who drove a car 45,000 miles and just kept adding more and more oil as needed. He sold it in running condition. Be thankful you didn't buy it.
  20. No, it's the leadership skill of caring. Take care of your boys. If your boys know you care about them, they are more apt to follow and thus tasks will get done. If they don't follow because the leader doesn't care, the task is more apt to not get done. See it all the time with bossy "leaders".
  21. So just because leadership and management require communication, they are one and the same thing? The problem lies in the fact that our English language does not properly distinguish the two words. Can an individual manage a task by himself? Yep. Can an individual manage a person by himself? Yes and no. Depends on whether they follow or leave. Can an individual lead a task? Not really, the task isn't going to follow. (Thus the confusion in terms) Can an individual lead a person? Yep. So the only two consistently reliable answers are managing tasks and leading people. The other two are filled with a lot of assumptions and confusion. Definitely not reliable language. In order to further understand, one has to take the context into consideration and make assumptions which may nor may not hold true. During WW II we fought with German and Japan. No one's going to argue with that statement. Well, during WW II we fought with England and France, too. That's a valid statement as well. So much for assumptions of context. So, people can manage tasks and people? Or do they simply use people as a resource for accomplishing the task? and think that is leadership. If the people don't cooperate (an assumption of leadership) the task does not get done and that kind of management wasn't leadership in the first place.
  22. Stosh

    Let's talk about the Eagle Scout journey

    There are thousands of young men and women who join the military to serve their country, not earn rank. To those I offer my deepest and most sincere appreciation. But then there are those that feel self promotion is what the military is all about, a means to personal success, i.e. getting Eagle to jump a rank out of Basics. It doesn't take a lot of thought for me to see the difference. I am exposed to it all the time in Scouting. How many young people join scouts to do their duty to God and Country and help other people at all times and how many join to make it to Eagle. This is the rub that chafes me.
  23. Hillcourt is right, he omitted be a Manager. There are many ways Leaders communicate without verbalization. Someone's picking on of his patrol members and the PL comes up and gives the traditional Mom Stare until the bully backs off. Yep, that's communication. What is also "communicated" to the young victim is his PL has his back when things get dicey. Young scout is at the campfire making pancakes looking frantically around, the PL smiles and hands him the spatula from the chuck box he had forgotten to get. So what's the tasks being done here? I see it as building a relationship whereas others rely on the choices, insights and strength of the leader. So when it comes time to react, those that have seen this work, will take on those leadership traits of caring as well, thus the phrase lead by example, another non-verbal teaching moment. There are others out there watching and when the recognize a caring person, they will naturally follow regardless of the task at hand. People who are only interested in themselves make terrible leaders, but maybe rather good managers. Just look at all the great Eagle projects that are spelled out in fantastically great detail, only to have no one show up to help on the day it's to be done. That's the little nuance I see between leadership and management. Of course there's a task to be done and the SM (i.e. Adult Extraordinaire) shows up and puts his foot down on Eagle project attendance. The ultimate management directive is intimidation and threats. It works, but it's not leadership.