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I've had many hats over the years, mostly of the ten gallon type. Mostly Stetson but a few other brands thrown in too. All but the first were/are Bever fur, the first was a cheap wool job. If I'm not on the motorcycle, it's on my head. It's been down several rivers and in a few hot tubs over the years but it holds it's shape just fine. May be not the shape it came out of the box with, but a fine shape just the same. But back in my school days at an unnamed state University my self and a few friends had a diference of opion with some of the profs. Some of them felt that if it wasn't on the lesen plan we should not have an interest in it. Since several of us had been scouts this jsut didn't feel right. When the staff made their feelings know we felt the need to experss our side of it. Two cases of plain white ball caps to let the world know we were the good guys did the trick. Never forget the day that the Dean of Engineering came down from the main campus and was presented with one of the hats. Knowing only that it came from the Micro computer club he slaped it on his head and toured the campus. Shure caused a stir. If only I could go back...

Or all out under the stars.

Eamon, Why does it have to be one or the other? For most, it is a fact of life that both parents must work atleast one job. I'd sure rather my son spend his days at a BSA camp than in a day care center or a babysitter's living room watching TV. It also sounds like a better use for some of our camps rather than selling them of for condos.

In that case tell them to give up a week of their vacation and make it right!

I don't think BSA has any rule against it. Our troop will not allow it based on the fact that one spouse can not be compeled to testify against the other. To me that's the same thing as having only one adult in the room. But as I said, I don't know of any by the book reason you can't do it.

BW - What? no Tshirt and Mug? It can't be for scouters if theres no mug!

"I am a new SM for a very small troop" Think of your self as the Scout master of a large troop that currently has lots of openings.

Packsaddle, We ask for checks to be made out to "BSA Troop ### of Church Name". Seems to work for every one including our bank.

Snake Eater, In my family we have take Redneck as a term of endearment. In the words of the great Charlie Daniels "What this world needs is a few more Rednecks!"

Thanks, you just made my closing for tomorrow nights round table a snap.

Anarchist, I think I understand what you asking, but I'm not sure why you think you have a problem. Your troop has grown beyound the limits of the facilities you use. As a result some families are looking to other troops. Is your pride hurt? Is it a numbers game? Do you want to be the only troop in town? What is your goal that requires you to want to capture more members than can be served?

Trevorum, Trick question there, or maybe a trick answer... If you use the two charts from your link, you will see that Indonesia is listed as having more members that the US. However, the US entry is for the BSA while the Indonesia number is for both "Boy Scouts and Girl Guides Movement". If you were to add the GSA to the BSA I'm sure the USA would take the lead.

3 strikes and your out?

BW - "The scout must do his best to complete the requirement as it is written in the handbook. If the parent chooses to not allow him to do that then those are the parents wishes. " When I read Scoutdads original question I thought a one word answer would do... No. or maybe two words "no way". How ever, after reading BW's post, I'm wondering... If the boy is trying but must respect his parents wishes, has he done his best? and if so, is that enough? At the boyscout level trying isn't enough (re: 1st class swim requirment), I don't know the cub program well enough to answer this one.

At your age, I had the boys call me John... Problem came the day they shared something with "John" that Mr. B was obligated to report. My advice is to go with Mr. V as soon as you can.

Some times you don't know what you really believe until some one does some thing that goes against it.

Sorry I ever doubted you. I should have known better. But next time, give us a heads up. If you were shocked to read it from a stranger, imagin how it is to read it from one of our own.

Dang, I may be the only one here who still bothers clicking thumbs up/down button and some how I clicked the up when I meant to click the down. It's not often I use the down button. Sure wish the system whould let me undo it.

Hops, Got to say I'm shocked you posted this. I had to leave the room for a while to collect my thoughts before replying. I'm glad I did. Gave me time to think of a few things that turned anger into simple disapointment. First off, you didn't write the original you only reprinted it here. I can't tell if you were posting it in shock or if it tells how you feel. Second, I have to recall your age. And not just your age, but the exact years you have lived. You have been lucky until now. Until 9/11/01, war was just an item you read about in fiction or history books. So I'll try to explaine why I am so disapointed. Yellow Ribbons - The yellow ribbons are a show of support but they are also a promise to your fathers generation that our country will never again do to a service man what was done to those who returned from Vietnam. Most of them were drafted. Some supported the war, others didn't. But they all went just the same because they were citizens of the US and it was their duty. They had families, they had girl friends, they had dreams. All of which was put on hold while they went. The lucky ones returned, the others are listed on a wall. For those who retuned home, they found they weren't welcome. You see, too many felt the way the author felt. They were unable to seperate those who sent them from those who were sent. They were spit on, had blood dumped on them and were accused of unspeakable crimes. If you can't figure out what that would do to a man, take a trip down town in any city, stop by the green. You'll see a homelessman who looks over 60. he's not. He was born some time around 1955, he's just over 50, and he served with honor. He was scared, he cried, he prayed, he went where he was sent, did as he was ordered and some how he came "home"... and was treated as an animal. If only he could have returned to the heros welcome he earned things would have been diferent. My advice is all you have left is a buck use it to buy a yellow ribbon to make sure this never happends again. Got ten bucks? Donate a phone card so they can call their son who in a scout back on base. But if you have neither and all you have is your freedom then you are still better off than most. If you treasure that freedom then take the time to say thanks to the men and women that protect that freedom. You won't have to go far either, there are several right here on this BBS who serve and many more who have in the past. Can you really poist this here and not think of the impact it has on them?

A quick reminder to all Scouts that they should talk to their parents before sending any information to anyone! And Danish-scout, Welcome to the camp fire. Glad you could join us.

A quick reminder to all Scouts that they should talk to their parents before sending any information to anyone! And Danish-scout, Welcome to the camp fire. Glad you could join us.

Nldscout, You seem sure enough of your self that I'll take your word for it. But since I don't sneak into their tent and remove an item I don't have to worry either. My authority is not based on the leagle system. I'm more of a you can follow the rules or you can go home type of guy. If they were told no cell phones and were found with one they would be offered a chance to leave it in the car rather than using it to call for a ride home.

Every troop should own atleast one 10 X 20 carport style tarp and pole set. It's not for every trip but when you need it, nothing else will take it's place.

They are on sale at amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/10207901/ref=br_bx_c_1_3/102-5699852-8644944 Make sure you see the word Camp in the title or your buying one with a domed lid.

These pants aside... if they made a perfect pair and shaved $5 off the price I bet folks would still show up with out them. Many don't see them as importent. You notice folks invest in "Class B" shirts and hats but there isn't much talk about "Class B" pants.