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  2. The year before last, 23, if you include clergy and such (https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cftb0326.htm). Maybe a littleness arrive training could help them lower that stat.
  3. I really dislike it when people refer to government expenditures as investments. Taxation is a harsh business. Best not to soften the language.
  4. I pulled this data quickly but here's what I've got. Every day a law enforcement officer goes to work they are at risk of losing their lives, hit, spit on, bit, pissed on, puked on, etc... One officer in our area approached an occupied parked car at a walmart and passed out before even reaching it because the drugs in the car were so potent. A hazmat team had to be called. Police are at risk just breathing the air or touching a car door these days. How many social workers in the U.S. were killed in the line of duty last year? As far as I'm concerned law enforcement are at war every day. My political position is really simple, I'm anti-stupid and anti-crime. FBI Releases 2019 Statistics on Law Enforcement Officers Killed in the Line of Duty "According to statistics reported to the FBI, 89 law enforcement officers were killed in line-of-duty incidents in 2019. Of these, 48 officers died as a result of felonious acts, and 41 officers died in accidents." FBI Releases 2018 Statistics on Law Enforcement Officers Killed in the Line of Duty "According to statistics reported to the FBI, 106 law enforcement officers were killed in line-of-duty incidents in 2018. Of these, 55 officers died as a result of felonious acts, and 51 officers died in accidents."
  5. The inner city troop effort (which at it's core was a worthy initiative) led to the Improved Scouting Program of 73. That was the birth of skill awards and the "NEW" path to Eagle that would in fact not require any camping, or actually going outdoors. That pretty much halved the BSA by 1981 and they had to get Greenbar Bill out of retirement to revamp the program. Between the BoyPower ManPower deal and the ISP, there was a double whammy during 70 - 81. Pretty sure the Scouting program in the USA never fully recovered and found it's way again. National leadership kept looking for the golden ring, the next best thing, the silver bullet. They never understood that they had the best program and that fun with a purpose was what kids wanted
  6. Pads are more than padding, they're also insulation. Also, the bottom of the sleeping bag doesn't provide any insulation when you smash it flat. IF it's cold out you need a pad with insulation. So, whatever pad you'd use on the ground, put it on put on your cot and you'll be warm.
  7. Sleeping on a cot is fine, summer time the air flow is good. cold weather, put a foam pad on the cot, there's your insulation. Sleep bag on the pad. Bob's yer uncle.
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  9. Okay, since you've discounted a member based on ageist reasons. Maybe you can ding an old conservative guy ... The billions have actually made a tremendous dent. The preponderance of children of welfare moms have gone on to start business and careers of their own. I loved meeting welfare children with dreams and aspirations. Lots of minorities made good on athletic scholarships. Their kids are now starting their business and colleges. The GI Bill opened doors. But, there are certain things that a lack of capital prevented. In particular, farm loans were notoriously biased. They were doled out according to generational wealth -- which often times led to default. Black farmers (if they had acquired their 40 acres) were more than willing to operate on the thinnest of margins to avoid default, but banks bet on established farms which later sold out to corporate and then to agriculture imports. No-knock warrants were regretted by members of the Nixon almost the minute they were invented. Suspects died, LEO's died, collateral died. But, winding back that leviathan was a political quagmire for state and local officials running on a tough-on-crime ticket. The warrior-police movement gained traction after terrorist attacks, but chief of police only recently realized the fallacy of that approach. So suddenly that gets rolled back. But officers who preferred to be warriors in many communities were allowed to carry on. Who can blame the officers? Most aren't that good at social work. There are more detailed lists. On balance, more was gained than wasted when we invested in minority welfare. More was lost when we invested in aggressive policing. But the thing is, all of these are things we can improve. Investment in minorities still tends to be a good long term strategy. Getting my scouts connected with minorities (when parents allow that sort of thing) has provided tremendous growth.
  10. Money will never overcome a lack of will. Both parties benefit from the status quo, so nothing really changes. Or were you thinking something else?
  11. Well, your young. These discussions have been going for 60 years (Black Panthers). I'm wondering why the billions in taxes over those years on this one specific ideal hasn't had any effect. Hmm, wondering wondering. Barry
  12. I'm entirely serious. Is it still possible to decide on issues based on values and not whether I'm on team red or team blue? Is the BSA the Scouting movement or part of THE Scouting movement? Is the official BLM organization representing everyone that protests? Or just the most organized and vocal? I think there are legitiment greviences Black people have about how they are treated by the legal system and society. More than that, I've seen the impacts these systemic issues have had on Black and Hispanic citizens. How my white family benefited from access to good educations, safe neighborhoods and good real estate. I'd like to see that reality happen for more Black people too. That doesn't mean I have to endorse all their aims. If I find a common cause, that doesn't violate the teachings of the Church and the law with a Marxist, or a Jew, a Muslim or anybody else, I can cooperate in achieving that objective. Maybe somedays they'll be advocating policies I can't support, and I'll oppose those specifically.
  13. https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2020/Boy-Scouts-of-America-Recalls-Cub-Scout-Activity-Pins-Due-to-Violation-of-the-Federal-Lead-Content-Ban
  14. Cool name, Phantom Scouts. Black capes. Theme from Phantom of the Opera. Rod Serling narrating BSA commercials on Creature Features and Dark Shadows. If BSA had done that, and created a Phantom Scout division in 1968, they might have actually achieved their goals.
  15. Ah, the ole "phone book" method. My SE told me stories about the old days. Makes you wonder if Scouting truly ever was as big as the old records show.
  16. On October 17, 1968, the Boy Scout organization launched a new membership initiative called “Boypower 76.” The ambitious program set national goals to be achieved by the US Bicentennial Celebration of 1976. Specifically, (1) Expand membership so that one of every three American boys is enrolled. That would require adding 2 million new Boy Scouts by 1976. (2) Double council budgets to a combined level of $150 million. New members would be recruited through two efforts: establishing troops in inner cities and retaining older boys by allowing girls to participate in the special-interest, career-focused segment of the Explorers program. The national slogan for Boypower 76 was “America’s Manpower Begins with Boypower.” Membership Quotas Councils were given strict monthly and annual membership goals to keep them on track to achieve the expansion envisioned in Boypower 76. The Controversial Collapse of Boypower BSA canceled the Boypower program two years early, amid widespread reports of inflated membership numbers. Articles in the New York Daily News, the Central New Jersey Home News, and many other newspapers enumerated the problems. The Chicago council was accused of selling one-month memberships for ten cents; other councils for inventing names to register. At least 13 major cities were discovered to have falsified records, involving some 30,000-40,000 “phantom” scouts. Furthermore, only about half of the $65 million fundraising goal was met, and much of that was from long-time donors who directed their gifts to the national organization instead of the local council.
  17. So Boypower is just another one of those $250/plate fundraisers for the council. No thanks. Not interested.
  18. Our council (Longhouse) stills calls it's yearly corporate fundraiser the Boypower Dinner The first "official" Boypower Dinner was in 1971 Here's a link to the history of the dinner in our council http://www.cnyscouts.org/boypower/history/
  19. I was a but a wee cub at the time ... and then a scout. To my knowledge the term never trickled down to the trenches. I haven't seen it in any of my literature or slogans on patches.
  20. Get serious. Here's an interview with one of the founders of BLM. At the 6 minute mark she talks about being a "trained Marxist." The Postmodern progressive movement isn't interested in a diverse group of people singing scout vespers around the campfire.
  21. Yes, I've seen some of those posts. I was hoping that, by posing the topic again, I would be able to to connect with the people involved in the previous conversations (like the ones you've kindly mentioned). Thank you for helping me bring it to their attention. I wasn't sure who was still active in this forum, as I am relatively new to this site.
  22. @k80sill on behalf of scouter.com moderators welcome. Searching Boypower returns numerous earlier discussions. Hopefully @Jameson76 , @Eagledad , and other members will respond.
  23. Hello everyone! I am in the process of researching the history of the BSA. I'm having trouble finding information about the Boypower program/initiative from the 1970's. I was wondering if anyone would be interested or willing to share their experiences and memories of this aspect of scouting. Additionally, if you know of any existing resources on Boypower and it's impact on scouting, please point me in the right direction. Thank you!
  24. In an older thread it is pointed out that, in cold weather, the air circulating under sleeping cots can be a problem. Anyone here have luck topping a cot with a mylar or "space" blanket, and then putting your sleeping bag on top of that? The idea is reflecting body heat back up. I'm curious whether this is a viable solution. Ground pads are too much for my aging self and my preference for side-sleeping. Thanks!
  25. Here's a link to an open-access article on cubmasters and scoutmasters from an education theory perspective: Yulianti, Yulianti, Dian Widya Putri, and Stephani Raihana Hamdan. "The Comparison of Credibility and Authenticity of Scoutmasters of Indonesian Scouting." 2nd Social and Humaniora Research Symposium (SoRes 2019). Atlantis Press, 2020. The two constructs of interest are: Credibility, indicated by Expertise Experience Rationale Conviction Authenticity, indicated by Congruence Full disclosure Responsiveness Personhood Heads up: this has not been peer reviewed and there are typos and non-native English grammar (thus the heavily edited quote). Plus, in general, I've found education research to be a little loose with the stats. But, it is interesting as it reports on scouts' evaluation of their leaders. As we noted in the other thread, it's anybody's guess as to how palatable our "-master" title for direct-contact adults of troops and packs will be to a post-modern nomadic audience. We often think of that audience in terms of trend-setting Americans, but more than that, young American parents are multi-national. Indonesia is an excellent test-bed for sociological constructs in scouting because, being intrinsic to the nation's education system, their SMs have to attend to scouts who might not be participants were they in a US school. So unlike many American youth, every Indonesian has a personal understanding of "scoutmaster". If you have the patience for this sort of think, I'd encourage you to wade through the article. Regardless, here's the question: If your scouts were to evaluate you, where would you rate on credibility and authenticity?
  26. Let the fight begin. It would have been easier if they had started with the last sentence. I wonder what happens in the scenario where a council property is "hidden" by giving it to a holding company with the intent of getting it back in the future, the council is disolved and a new one replaces it. Where does that leave the property? Legal ring 6, probably.
  27. I missed that "nuclear family" bit. To my mind, that seems like the kind of line that gets thrown in because it sounds impressive, but isn't really descriptive of what someone is working for. Kind of like how "Defund the police" actually means, "develop community response methods that don't require an armed officer whenever possible".
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    • The year before last, 23, if you include clergy and such (https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cftb0326.htm). Maybe a littleness arrive training could help them lower that stat.
    • I really dislike it when people refer to government expenditures as investments.  Taxation is a harsh business.  Best not to soften the language.    
    • I pulled this data quickly but here's what I've got.  Every day a law enforcement officer goes to work they are at risk of losing their lives, hit, spit on, bit, pissed on, puked on, etc... One officer in our area approached an occupied parked car at a walmart and passed out before even reaching it because the drugs in the car were so potent.  A hazmat team had to be called.  Police are at risk just breathing the air or touching a car door these days.  How many social workers in the U.S. were killed in the line of duty last year?  As far as I'm concerned law enforcement are at war every day.  My political position is really simple, I'm anti-stupid and anti-crime.   FBI Releases 2019 Statistics on Law Enforcement Officers Killed in the Line of Duty   "According to statistics reported to the FBI, 89 law enforcement officers were killed in line-of-duty incidents in 2019. Of these, 48 officers died as a result of felonious acts, and 41 officers died in accidents." FBI Releases 2018 Statistics on Law Enforcement Officers Killed in the Line of Duty "According to statistics reported to the FBI, 106 law enforcement officers were killed in line-of-duty incidents in 2018. Of these, 55 officers died as a result of felonious acts, and 51 officers died in accidents."  
    • The inner city troop effort (which at it's core was a worthy initiative) led to the Improved Scouting Program of 73.  That was the birth of skill awards and the "NEW" path to Eagle that would in fact not require any camping, or actually going outdoors.  That pretty much halved the BSA by 1981 and they had to get Greenbar Bill out of retirement to revamp the program. Between the BoyPower ManPower deal and the ISP, there was a double whammy during  70 - 81.  Pretty sure the Scouting program in the USA never fully recovered and found it's way again.  National leadership kept looking for the golden ring, the next best thing, the silver bullet.  They never understood that they had the best program and that fun with a purpose was what kids wanted
    • Pads are more than padding, they're also insulation. Also, the bottom of the sleeping bag doesn't provide any insulation when you smash it flat. IF it's cold out you need a pad with insulation. So, whatever pad you'd use on the ground, put it on put on your cot and you'll be warm.
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