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  2. Honestly, probably all the Assistant Chief Scout Executives. Trying to justify their enormous salaries. (normally i don't complain about pro salaries, but even I think a lot of the national folks are overpaid. Mostly because I personally am not a big fan of them) Kind of a sad fact, Bryan hasn't been a full time employee of the BSA for some time. He's just a contributor now.
  3. My local CVS clinic is still doing physicals. I think it's a bad idea, but they were open, I have HSA money to spend, and as an Assistant Course Director for NYLT, if I'm not available we are not having camp if it's even possible. I jumped on the opportunity to get my physical done and out of the way.
  4. I got an answer from my friend. The cash flow isn’t there, in major part because the events aren’t there. A lot of Council fundraising happens in the spring. Community FOS luncheons, golf tournaments, shotgun and sporting clays tournaments, all create income. When they don’t happen, and thanks to Covid they aren’t, Councils and yes National are like any other business ... they have to cut back. Councils only have two resources: People and property. Guess which is easier to dispose on a dime? People.
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  6. But the problem for my kids right now is that their pediatrician has cancelled all of the scheduled physicals, this includes all camp and sports physicals, along with the annual "wellness" visits to limit possible exposure. He said he's not planning on resuming those until some time in the summer. When he does resume, it'll probably be long after any camp forms would have been due. Also, at this point, I'm not looking to start doctor shopping either to find someone that would do that work. I don't need the headache of filling out extra paperwork both with any new doctor or with the insurance.
  7. If they furloughed all these people from Supply, who is shipping all the items from the scout shop that they want to sell? I get emails every day about new projects, and Brian even has a blog about it today.
  8. Early retirements mean retirements. Furloughs mean some possible return to their jobs at some level. @Cburkhardt @Cburkhardt I wonder in the new National Structure how many of these folks return?
  9. I imagine many Cub Summer Camps will be submarined just from this alone.
  10. This is where I'm at. At the end of the day, our job is to protect youth. Delaying camp is just delaying the inevitable, not protecting against it. Also, not to be rude, but many Scout leaders are not exactly spring chickens.
  11. So, this is where it starts to sound perverse. What we are being asked to do will not stop junior from getting the virus. It will delay it. The long bet is that in areas first hit, where half of the population has been infected (not half tested positive, there's a difference) herd immunity will become more efficient at slowing the disease than social distancing. At that point governments need to let off the brakes, and bet (yes, bet, welcome to the highest stakes game on the planet) that hospitals will have ramped up enough to handle the new cases -- including pediatric cases -- as they appear through the summer. Then, when (not if) wave two roams the earth next year, those yet to be infected will have a hard time finding Saars-Cov-2 for their cells to suck up and replicate ... hard enough that, by the time a vaccine rolls out after wave two and hopefully before wave three, there will be a safe vaccine to help us artificially inflate herd immunity to something along the lines of what we have now against measles. If we get a vaccine before wave two, it will be a human achievement the equivalent of a manned landing on Mercury. Until then, the world will have to count on kids, sooner or later, going outside, playing, and spreading germs at a rate that we all can can tolerate. Exactly when is in the hands of some friends whose jobs I'm not particularly envying. ... You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em ...
  12. I decided to buy a scooter for my child. Will see how it works.😉
  13. Anyone weighing summer camp or other youth activities this summer needs to pay attention to the latest CDC report in Morbidity and Mortality released today. The report documents more than 2500 US pediatric infections, albeit many of them mild, but hundreds have resulted in hospitalization and there have been three deaths. It is useful to note that the median age of infected patients is 11 years and not all of the most serious cases have had underlying conditions reported. Children are less at risk, but they are still at risk. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6914e4.htm?s_cid=mm6914e4_w
  14. Before coming to occupy Camp Townsend at Wonderland Park, several Knox County Boy Scout council troops held one of their first summer camps at “the sinks” along Little River at “Camp Helpful”, approximately three miles upstream from Elkmont in 1915. The Knox County council would return to the vicinity four years later and conduct their official summer resident camp with much greater effect. Read about the Knox County Boy Scout council's use of the summer camp at a popular resort now located in the Great Smoky Mountain National Park... read here
  15. I would say all planning right now is to open as usual, and have contingencies to cancel week-to-week as necessary. I don't know about anyone else's camp, but we have work weekends and then staff week to get everything setup, so if that gets cancelled then week 1 would already need to be cancelled to get that done. The "re-openning" from the pandemic is going to be very regional I would anticipate.
  16. Oh I’m aware, but I’m just say if the officials deem that x date is when they deem it safe to be in large gathers & all that stuff. I was talking more so if the officials said May 30th (Random date) is when it is safe for schools, camps, etc to open and operate. I would assume the council would cancel whatever weeks are before and during that time, then operate after that.
  17. Estimated U.S. deaths from communicable diseases, major causes - 2017 ( per CDC ) Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201 Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
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  19. Because Covid-19 doesn't disappear once a government official removes stay-at-home orders. Until there is a vaccine, secondary/tertiary/etc. outbreak is a real threat. Gathering 250 kids together, with what is a best mediocre sanitation (we all have stories of having to drag kids to take showers) is a scenario that could derail the rest of the summer. I'm all for putting the efforts at planning, but I would not bank on summer camp happening.
  20. Does that number include the early retirements some folks were offered?
  21. That would be more than half of BSA employees? "The national headquarters of the BSA is located in Irving, Texas. The BSA employs approximately 1,650 individuals, all of whom are located in the United States and its territories. The BSA’s employees are located at its headquarters, at the BSA’s national warehouse and distribution center in Charlotte, North Carolina, at approximately 175 official BSA Scout Shops located throughout the United States and Puerto Rico and at the BSA’s four high adventure facilities located in Florida, Minnesota and parts of Canada, New Mexico, and West Virginia." From Docket 16, Page 7 from Brian Whittman, being duly sworn, states the following under penalty of perjury: 1.I am a Managing Director at Alvarez & Marsal North America, LLC (“A&M”), a limited liability corporation, which has served as a restructuring advisor to the Boy Scouts of America (the “BSA”) https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/799093_16.pdf
  22. I’m not sure why canceling the whole summer (if not needed) would be done. Every week is the same, the staff is in repeat mode. If the first 2 weeks gets cancelled, there’s still 5 weeks left. I know some camps are shorter, but the one I work at is 7 + staff week.
  23. Yea. It's easy for me to say that camp should be reopened when the health authorities say it safe to do so, but I'm not a parent. So my (non existent) kids don't have to live with the consequences. That being said, if the government allows childcare facilities/ schools to reopen and the restrictions that will still be in place allow for something like a camp, and the Council can pull off the logistics, I see no reason why not to have it. If we get to a reasonable time horizon before camp and it's clear it won't be safe, or the restrictions left in place won't make it manageable, it should be cancelled. I would hope council pros are in touch with health professionals and their local governments to make those decisions. Right now, at least in Ohio, if camp was next week, it'd be cancelled. We'll see what June holds.
  24. This. Also I can tell you, some families have already said "NO" to summer camp, even if everything clears up.
  25. How can any reasonable individuals have ill will towards the council or camp if the virus situation means some weeks of camp has to be cancelled in June, but the council and health authorities deem it safe to proceed with later weeks in July? As long as they get a refund, it's a literal act of God. Given the logistical challenges of putting together a camp, training and hiring staff, I could see the whole summer cancelled rather than partial cancellations, but we'll see.
  26. I would assume they would want to only cancel maybe 2 weeks instead of the whole summer. It’s really hard to say what each council will do. There are going to be problems no matter what way it goes.
  27. I don't know how they can start it later in June without either a) cancelling those troops who had early to mid-June reservations or b) move the end of the camp season back to mid-August. Both have their issues with a) will most likely cause a lot of ill-will for those canceled troops and b) being you will lose the majority of your camp staff if the camp season runs much past August 1st. Most public schools here in Indiana start up in early August, not to mention the college aged kids.
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    • Honestly, probably all the Assistant Chief Scout Executives. Trying to justify their enormous salaries. (normally i don't complain about pro salaries, but even I think a lot of the national folks are overpaid. Mostly because I personally am not a big fan of them) Kind of a sad fact, Bryan hasn't been a full time employee of the BSA for some time. He's just a contributor now. 
    • My local CVS clinic is still doing physicals. I think it's a bad idea, but they were open, I have HSA money to spend, and as an Assistant Course Director for NYLT, if I'm not available we are not having camp if it's even possible. I jumped on the opportunity to get my physical done and out of the way. 
    • I got an answer from my friend.  The cash flow isn’t there, in major part because the events aren’t there. A lot of Council fundraising happens in the spring. Community FOS luncheons, golf tournaments, shotgun and sporting clays tournaments, all create income.  When they don’t happen, and thanks to Covid they aren’t, Councils and yes National are like any other business ... they have to cut back. Councils only have two resources:  People and property. Guess which is easier to dispose on a dime?  People. 
    • But the problem for my kids right now is that their pediatrician has cancelled all of the scheduled physicals, this includes all camp and sports physicals, along with the annual "wellness" visits to limit possible exposure.  He said he's not planning on resuming those until some time in the summer.  When he does resume, it'll probably be long after any camp forms would have been due.  Also, at this point, I'm not looking to start doctor shopping either to find someone that would do that work.  I don't need the headache of filling out extra paperwork both with any new doctor or with the insurance.
    • If they furloughed all these people from Supply, who is shipping all the items from the scout shop that they want to sell?  I get emails every day about new projects, and Brian even has a blog about it today.
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