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“Organizations like [the Scouts] are symbiotic in that the Scouts benefit from accomplishing their requirements, and the community benefits from the fruits of the Scouts fulfilling their goals,” said U.S. Army Lt. Col. Reuben Doornink. “Scouting has been a big part of my life through the years and being an Eagle Scout can help form near- immediate bonds. Scouting is similar to the military in that I know if my family needed something, I could put it in a chat group and have 10 people at my door,” said Doornink. “One thing that being a Scout taught me is, ‘Keep working on the task regardle- 1 reply
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Girl Scout and member of Board of Supervisors exchange. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYicUpJAth8
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Total sidebar: I noticed the manner of mentioning Rinpoche, @SSScout - were you his student? - Yesterday
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Well, censorship, The Golden Rule, Kharma, Rinpoche, freedom of expression and choice, protecting youth (from adults?), civic duty versus personal responsibility, quite a discussion. I came here late, I have not been able to read the article because the Richmond Times-Dispatch keeps wanting me to SUBSCRIBE. But GOOGLE is your friend: https://dailyprogress.com/news/nation-world/government-politics/hanover-girl-scout-gold-award-censored-book-nooks-banned-hcps/article_283731ad-4dd9-5c8f-ba7a-ae16e18542aa.html It is , indeed, a Brave New World..... Aldous Huxley, call your off -
https://www.mariettatimes.com/news/local-news/2024/03/smith-scouts-become-leaders/ Finding ways to incorporate the community locally might be the best way to redeem the program. My experience with the general public when we do flag and patriotic stuff at the local government center, or on some occasion in the past when hiking, has almost always been supportive. Many have gushed and said they had thought BSA was gone and were really happy for our work and efforts. I suspect this may be far more prominent than the nay sayers will admit. Just my view. -
Are you sincere? I do not read you to be. Please correct me if I'm wrong. It's quite possible that I am.
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I don't have much to say on the Eagle project topic since we don't have that in Sweden and haven't read up on the instructions, but reading this sparked a potential initial general view of the line between civic and political: civic is supporting building community in a liberal democracy. To the extent that parties promote policies (often implicitly because everyone in mainstream society agrees) that are consistent with liberal democracy, we count those as civic even though one could argue that technically they are political because a political party advocates for it. That remains true even wh
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I actually thought that was very clear. That section of the book stuck with me immediately upon reading and I was literally thinking of it when I wrote the general reflection above. I knew right where to find it to expand on both the actual meaning but also to (hopefully) gently and skillfully deflect the attack on my character. Perhaps it isn't so immediately relatable to everyone, then. My apologies if that wasn't clear. My point is, I do not appreciate being called duplicitous, and I do not appreciate teachings that are very precious to me and considered a religion by the BSA being cal
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Okay. Interesting, though a bit deep or maybe confusing. Discussions of the Eastern philosophies can be like that. We likely do not want to confuse, but rather, with luck, enjoin them in actual use of their cerebral abilities, then share that with peers and others?
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I'm talking about karma and recognizing how it operates. That is very different from duplicity. Duplicity is changing moral view to suit oneself; recognizing how karma works is cultivating insight and allows you to at the very least accrue merit if not quite stop generating it entirely. Volume One of The Profound Treasury of The Ocean of Dharma: The Path of Individual Liberation by Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche, page 414: "The Six Types of Karmic Consequence The general notion of karma is that uncertainty, delusion, or ignorance begins to trigger the mechanisms of lust, or passion, a
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From Facebook Commissioner page, asking for input for the upcoming 2024 Guide for Advancement. Posted April 9, Deadline April 13!
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I believe scouting teaches youth to be involved and engaged. BSA has Eagle-required merit badges that teach civic engagement: Citizenship in the Community, Nation, World, and Society. Certainly BSA teaches this in a way to find common-ground with others: If you are out in the wilderness with a group you need to work together and solve problems as a group. We are stronger when we work together. If you take a stand as an individual, what are the repercussions to the group? There has to be a good reason and you should have allies who support you. Therefore, I believe the Gold Award project d -
Six Sea Scouts were selected to sail aboard the US Coast Guard Barque Eagle this summer, from August 10-16, sailing from Boston to New London, CT. 👍👍👍👍👍👍 Story at https://seascout.org/news/six-sea-scouts-selected-to-sail-aboard-the-uscg-barque-eagle/
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So far in 2024, there has been no news regarding our federal Charter-required Report to the Nation though I heard of some Reports to State which BSA National encourages. No word yet of any live feed (e.g. youtube) of any parts of NAM. Let's go digital! I prefer, unfiltered direct conversation with Mr. Krone and Mr. Pounder, preferably with an opportunity to send in our questions and feedback. Please no more filtered, condescending after event reports - 5 Things You Need to Know About ... My $0.01,
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In another thread, someone criticized me for being okay with scouters and other adults speaking their mind to my youth. That got translated into allowing “hostile” acts — even though the topic was clearly discussing speech that did not involve any physical threat. Some repliesasserted that its somehow wise to shield a kid from someone who could teach a him/her how to forestall death, but has voiced problems with their membership. Youth have a word for situational ethics: duplicity. - Last week
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From Rules & Regulations of the Boy Scouts of America July, 2023 Participation in Public Functions (page 6) Scouters must, when practicable, cooperate in connection with civic or other public gatherings of a nonpartisan and nonpolitical character in a way that gives youth members an opportunity to render service in harmony with their training instead of merely taking part in parades in their uniforms. Any such participation must be consistent with the principles of the Scouting movement .... Policy Concerning Political Questions (page 7) The Boy Scouts of America mus
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Well, generally speaking, that also has to be case-by-case, no? Some boats need rocking and now is the time to do it. But not every boat, and not every boat right now. All the combinations of good intention, bad intention, good outcome, and bad outcome occur. The trick is to get better at recognizing both intentions and outcomes. Sometimes being conflict averse is bad. Sometimes it builds harmony that leads to strength and functioning. Without a situation or a context you can't really say if it's good or bad. With a clear and stable mind, we can take the attitude of "first thought, b
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It seems to me that too often being conflict averse leads to conflicts of interest and lack of engagement in life. What do I know? Mine is more in the rearview now.
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Definitely, IMHO the BSA is conflict averse for better or worse.
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I have a friend in Virginia whose daughter earned her Gold and who is very active in general in school, soccer, and other things. I asked him his opinion. His response was that the Girl Scouts encourage the girls to be activists. An interesting view from someone that has been involved a long while with them, and and also has a boy tht is now Life.
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So more conflict-averse rather than trying to draw the line between civic and political?
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Two sides to this. Freedom of expression vs child safety? Our local Eagle Board approves projects that serve the community for greater good, harmonious, good-PR,... The Board is not looking for controversy or conflict.
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Curious about this. Opposing book bans seems civic to me, as opposed to political because freedom of speech is a bedrock foundation of liberal democracy and the context of book access in community libraries is one in which freedom of speech is appropriately the most salient one, including in historical context. (As opposed to limiting speech to what is scoutlike and consistent with the Scout Law and Oath in BSA contexts, for example.) Wo Bücher brennen... Why don't you think your council's Eagle Board would approve this?
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Get an EDGE on Business With This Scouting Lesson. by Televerde CEO Chris McGugan "One of my favorite events of the year is right around the corner. On Thursday, May 23, The Boy Scouts of America Silicon Valley Monterey Bay Council is hosting their annual Community Leadership Breakfast. It’s an inspiring morning in support of an excellent organization, and this year, the keynote speaker will be business magnate and BSA CEO, Roger Krone. Roger is promising a candid discussion about all that’s changing in our world, and I can’t wait to hear what he has to say. With my sons in Scouting
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By RememberSchiff · Posted
“Organizations like [the Scouts] are symbiotic in that the Scouts benefit from accomplishing their requirements, and the community benefits from the fruits of the Scouts fulfilling their goals,” said U.S. Army Lt. Col. Reuben Doornink. “Scouting has been a big part of my life through the years and being an Eagle Scout can help form near- immediate bonds. Scouting is similar to the military in that I know if my family needed something, I could put it in a chat group and have 10 people at my door,” said Doornink. “One thing that being a Scout taught me is, ‘Keep working on the task regardless of how daunting it may seem.’ I think the most important skill is to persevere toward a goal and learn a little selfless service.” Doornink is slated to retire from active duty in the next several years, with hopes to relocate with his family to Florida or back to the Midwest after leaving uniform. Until then, he plans to continue in his role as Scout leader with his sons and counts his Scout family as an inspiration to continue serving as both a Soldier and a Scout. “The [group of] people I have had the pleasure to work next to has been a blessing unto itself,” he said. “The cross section of people in Scouting varies and each leader brings a skill set that is unique to their occupation and interests [but] the team that converges to support the entire Scouting effort each and every day is remarkable.” More including photos at source: https://www.army.mil/article-amp/275699/soldier_scout_leader_midwest_native_builds_legacy_as_example_of_selfless_service -
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Girl Scout and member of Board of Supervisors exchange. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYicUpJAth8 -
By AwakeEnergyScouter · Posted
Total sidebar: I noticed the manner of mentioning Rinpoche, @SSScout - were you his student? -
Well, censorship, The Golden Rule, Kharma, Rinpoche, freedom of expression and choice, protecting youth (from adults?), civic duty versus personal responsibility, quite a discussion. I came here late, I have not been able to read the article because the Richmond Times-Dispatch keeps wanting me to SUBSCRIBE. But GOOGLE is your friend: https://dailyprogress.com/news/nation-world/government-politics/hanover-girl-scout-gold-award-censored-book-nooks-banned-hcps/article_283731ad-4dd9-5c8f-ba7a-ae16e18542aa.html It is , indeed, a Brave New World..... Aldous Huxley, call your office.
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https://www.mariettatimes.com/news/local-news/2024/03/smith-scouts-become-leaders/ Finding ways to incorporate the community locally might be the best way to redeem the program. My experience with the general public when we do flag and patriotic stuff at the local government center, or on some occasion in the past when hiking, has almost always been supportive. Many have gushed and said they had thought BSA was gone and were really happy for our work and efforts. I suspect this may be far more prominent than the nay sayers will admit. Just my view.
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