What?? You've Got to Be Kidding Me with These Membership Numbers!

[Eagle94-A1]

17 hours ago, InquisitiveScouter said:

It is always best to go to the source:

https://www.scouting.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/2026-NCAP-Standards-v2.pdf

Standard number SA-001, pages 25 - 29.

 

I see now that day camp is at least 2 days now.  when NCAP started, that wasn't the case, and a district single day activity, like PWD, had to follow NCAP.

 

[mrjohns2]

2 hours ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

I see now that day camp is at least 2 days now.  when NCAP started, that wasn't the case, and a district single day activity, like PWD, had to follow NCAP.

When NCAP started, day activity like PWD had to follow NCAP? What year was that? Are you sure? It is only like 5 years or so that camporees and OA weekends had to follow NCAP and brought about the "Short Term Camp Administrator" concept. That was a big shock to people.

[Eagle94-A1]

Circa 2012 to 2014.

[Tron]

On 1/5/2026 at 8:00 PM, mrjohns2 said:

NCAP does not cover day events. Day Camp? Yes. Day activities? No. Hasn't in the last 8 years I have been involved. It covers: day camps (2 days or longer using council retained leadership), long term camp (4 nights or more with council retained leadership), and short term camp (1-3 nights with council retained leadership / program). It does not cover a day event. It hasn't. No change in 8 years.

 

On 1/6/2026 at 2:12 PM, Eagle94-A1 said:

I see now that day camp is at least 2 days now.  when NCAP started, that wasn't the case, and a district single day activity, like PWD, had to follow NCAP.

 

You guys have to be careful here. A "day camp" is also an event that 1 day but "recurring". So say you have a 1 day skills tournament district event. If you repeat that within the same calendar year months apart and with a different name but exactly the same "whatever" it is now a "day camp" and must follow NCAP. 

Like I said, there is a lot of gray area out there and there are too many 22 year olds that can pivot to a different career and nothing worth a lick out there making decisions and spouting non-sense. 

[mrjohns2]

On 1/8/2026 at 8:46 PM, Tron said:

You guys have to be careful here. A "day camp" is also an event that 1 day but "recurring". So say you have a 1 day skills tournament district event. If you repeat that within the same calendar year months apart and with a different name but exactly the same "whatever" it is now a "day camp" and must follow NCAP. 

Care to point out where it is defined this way? 

[mrjohns2]

On 1/8/2026 at 8:46 PM, Tron said:

You guys have to be careful here. A "day camp" is also an event that 1 day but "recurring". So say you have a 1 day skills tournament district event. If you repeat that within the same calendar year months apart and with a different name but exactly the same "whatever" it is now a "day camp" and must follow NCAP. 

It took me a bit, but I found the part that defines this situation. Your description is not accurate as the gap would be >5 days. The council could define it as a "day camp" or not if the gap is 5 days or more. 

"Except for day camps as provided below, a camp is an overnight program . In determining the length of a camp, count all nights where any participants (other than staff) are present with substantially the same camp leadership or camp staff, regardless of what the camp is called, unless there is a gap of five or more nights between sessions . Camp includes the following classifications: 1 . Day camps . A day camp is a council-organized program designed for Scouts for two or more days, under council-retained leadership at an approved site with no overnight . The program may operate at age-appropriate Cub Scout, Scouts BSA, Venturer, or Sea Scout level . A council may choose to treat a one-day event (without an overnight) as a day camp."