CuriousOne Posted Monday at 08:00 PM Share Posted Monday at 08:00 PM Our troop recently went camping, and our latest Eagle Scout was there. His behavior on this trip was terrible. He did not live up to the Scout Oath and Law and did not represent Scout Spirit. We had several new scouts with us, and this was their first weeklong camping experience. The Eagle Scout was asked to help out in various ways in which he did not, he disresected the leaders that were in place, and he did barely nothing for the entire week. He has his Eagle Court of Honor coming up. At the time, the Scoutmaster was not at camp and the Assistant Scoutmaster was there in his place and witnessed everything. My question, is the Assistant Scoutmaster able to say that he does not approve to have the Court of Honor when the Scoutmaster says he can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberSchiff Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago @CuriousOne welcome to scouter.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoutldr Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago If his Board of Review has been completed and approved by National, he IS an Eagle Scout. Whether he can remain a member of your Troop is another question. Sorry this has happened. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Eagle Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago And this is not too uncommon among really young eagles. A couple of ideas pop in mind. As for the COH, there may be minimal participation by those offended during the weekend. Without publicly boycotting the event, a heads up to the parents is in order. If someone feels he is not representing the Eagle rank, they can bow out. I've seen this many times. I wonder how the other troop Eagles reacted or will react to this behavior. Definitely a leader/committee-to-parents meeting is needed. Without hearing the Scout's side, not sure why he would not help out. If he is the oldest member of the troop and highest ranking, I can see where he may get a big head with "I'm an eagle, I don't have to do it" mentality. Worst case as stated above, may be time for him to perform or join a different scout unit such as crew or ship where older, more experienced scouts may change the behavior. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred8033 Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago 17 hours ago, CuriousOne said: My question, is the Assistant Scoutmaster able to say that he does not approve to have the Court of Honor when the Scoutmaster says he can? Not a comment about the scout and more a comment about Eagle Courts of Honor. ECOH are a show. The scripts are usually over-the-top. Specific parts of the scripts are almost always "wrong" as no-one is being awarded a rank. Maybe, "given" as here's the rank you were awarded two months ago. The scripts usually have something like ... "Now, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the National Council of Scouting America, I hereby award the rank of Eagle Scout to you." ... The person saying these words has no "authority" to "award". Worse, the scout has already been awarded the rank and should be wearing the Eagle rank on their uniform. Your choice is whether to attend the Eagle Court of Honor and / or participate in the ceremony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Eagle Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago fred8033 is 100% correct in his post. Too often national takes forever to finalize paperwork where it can take months to receive anything back. Also, the ECOH is what the scout decides as formal as wanted and timing to their liking. Pretty much the family wants in conjunction with the troop. Most of the time the ECOH will review the scout's adventure on the trail with a story, display, location, and acknowledge the mom/dad pins, mentor pin(s), any neckerchief/bolo/slide, and gifts from scout friends. Hope this shed more light on your situation and gives you some backing on what actions you wish to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tron Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago Most likely the best case of action is to hold a scoutmasters conference. Let the scoutmaster get an idea of what is going on with the scout. You never know, maybe the scout was told something unexpected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSScout Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago 1) What was his record before the camp? Was he a "Scout" in the (minimum of how many years?) before he was passed as Eagle? 2) what was his "attitude" before the camp? Is Scouting something he does to please his dad/mom? Is it because he is (was?) trying to beat his brother/sister? 3) Family dynamics (see #1,#2). Are there mom and dad issues? 5) Would he rather be (sport/gang/Marines/anything but this sissy Scout stuff)? I once helped a dad (newly divorced, it turned out) plan the Eagle CoH for his son. I only knew the Scout by sight. The dad had a nice but simple affair planned, formal invitations to family, friends, Troop. The Scoutmaster was military and could not be there that day, but the ASMs did the good job. I really have no idea why, but we had only about 15 people there, theoretically could have had thirty or forty with Scouts and family. Words said, thoughts expressed, Scout/Eagle Promise made, cookies eaten, and boom everyone left. We never saw that Scout again at our Troop activities, altho he was only 16. Thinking about it, I could envision this Scout basically saying to the dad: "There, I did it, now get off my back." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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