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Wow! The $125 is about £100 at today's exchange rate, which compares broadly with the £90 my troop charges. That covers nearly everything we do on a Thursday night and some of the less expensive weekend stuff (District incident hike, district archery competition), plus national capitation, camps come extra.

 

$350? Seriously? That is starting to sound properly expensive. Not surprised some parents are starting to make choices.

 

Yes a stunning amount, the cost of a week at summer camp.  Council has said as fewer families donate "their share" , the requested amount has increased.  I'm told the majority of families in our troop donate $50 or less to FOS.

 

I should have also mentioned that  fatigue over the number of fundraisers was another exit factor.

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At our Cub Scout level recruitment numbers had dropped but that is a good point regarding retention. In the end, it is critical that the Pack has their program with the perfect combination of kids having fun and parents seeing the value. Some of our dens do better than others. But I still believe there is an image problem with the BSA... we get the funnel from scouting families but that isn't enough.

 

We don't push FOS hard ... more of a soft sell. The only fee requirement we have is the $100 we charge for annual den, pack and membership dues. Our pack is in an affluent area where parents spend $2-$3K per year on baseball camps and leagues so our $100 rarely comes up as an issue.

 

At the Cub Scout level, I tend to believe our ranks will grow if we go coed. I'm not sure about Boy Scouts and if we lose LDS I'm sure total numbers will drop.

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I doubt that the BSA's thinking on this is that specific.  They want to increase membership significantly.  I don't think they care whether they are "offsetting" past, present or possible future losses, or losses caused by the loss of a major CO vs. "regular" losses due to any number of factors.  They just want a lot more members, and I can see why increasing the potential membership base for Cubs and Boy-Scout-age programs by somewhere around 100% might seem like an attractive option.  Whether it "works" or not remains to be seen.  A lot of people have been making predictions, but I don't see the point.  Nobody really KNOWS what is going to happen in the future.

When a poster states a theory and then finishes with a comment of not understanding the point of other posters stating theories, it's time to walk away from the computer.

 

Barry

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When a poster states a theory and then finishes with a comment of not understanding the point of other posters stating theories, it's time to walk away from the computer.

 

Barry

 

My "theory", if you want to call it that, is about motivations, not predictions.  Two different issues.

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My "theory", if you want to call it that, is about motivations, not predictions.  Two different issues.

Same thing; you don't actually know the true motivation or true future anymore than the rest of us.

 

Ok, we do know something, BSA is loosing the present membership and the plan is add new membership instead of fixing the cause of the present decline. Now that sounds like a solid plan for developing a healthy program.

 

Barry

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But should mere motivation excuse guesswork when research is possible?  

 

I may want a piece of candy, but the jar may be empty.  Should I check before ponying up the  "price"?  

 

BSA guessed that centering Scouting on urban living would be a winner - without asking the customers or sales force.  Look how well that worked.  The losses then make the recent losses look good by comparison.

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For identification purposes, in one of my former troops had the PL's wear the Expedition hat with a red cord.  The SPL had a yellow cord.  One could spot them a mile away.  Today in my current troop we have blaze orange neckers.  It makes my job easier and the boys made the decision to go with them so it's a win-win for all.

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@@Rick_in_CA, you don't believe in cause and effect then?

 

For YEARS the year on year decline is at 2-3%.

 

Then in 2013 it increases to 6-7% AND STAYS THERE after the policy change until 2017? That's just coincidence? No other big program changes? No perv file issues. Another 70,000 people per year decided to drop Scoutignout of no where?

 

Ok. Then why do you think the rate of declined has doubled and stayed there?

 

There's a relationship between policy and decline. You don't want to see it because it doesn't fit your belief system.

So much for your reading comprehension (hey, if you insult me, I insult you back - see how scout like and better this makes things?). Here is what I wrote:

 

There is no single, or overriding reason for the decline, it a huge list of reasons. Some have to do with the policies, programs and image of the BSA, but a lot have nothing to do with the organization - our society has changed.

As you can see, I do believe that the policies of the BSA has an effect on the decline.

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I think I owe @@Col. Flagg an apology. There was quite a bit more snark in my last post then was called for. Just because I am having a bad day doesn't mean I should take it out on others.

 

Col. Flagg, I apologize.

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I think I owe @@Col. Flagg an apology. There was quite a bit more snark in my last post then was called for. Just because I am having a bad day doesn't mean I should take it out on others.

 

Col. Flagg, I apologize.

 

No apology necessary. Rick and I have chatted via PM and we are good. I don't take anything online too hard. Rick's a good guy and this is an impassioned topic.

 

All good.  :)

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