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The way folks are carrying on about a few waitresses helping at day camp, you'd think the entire situation was one of wanton excess.
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Walk, not sure what you are referring to, but this comment from a mom jumped out at me: "As an active volunteer and a parent of 2 scouts, I would like to thank Hooters and the volunteers who took the time to give back to their community. As for their attire, it was no different that the female counselor's that are employed there. Other than a visor! Great Job ladies and Hooters. We will have to stop in to show our support!" Truly, the actual degree of depravity and deception is in the eye of the beholder.
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If someone thinks they are going to see her dressed that way in the restaurant, they are sadly mistaken. Hooters PR productions in no way match the reality of their restaurants. Yet you've included a photo of a woman in a bikini who works for Hooters. The women that work in the restaurants are the public image of Hooters. Brands do not exists apart from the people that work for said brands. Meaning attached is up to each individual. I talked to my wife (well, emailed her because I was deployed) about the trip. Parents knew about the visit with the dancers, but they weren't prepared for the "reality" of the attire and the vampiness of it all. Here's the kicker: among the adults there was a little eye rolling and such, but overall the parents had a good chuckle and turned the page. There is a lesson in that for the case at hand.
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Probably not, though I've jumped around to both.
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The smiles in the photo look genuine, and it appears folks were enjoying themselves. How dare they!
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As a scout I attended summer camp one year with a SM and ASM who were perfectionists and put down artists. Miserable week. But we still had fun, away from the campsite (where those two donkeys spent most of their time). There is pride in endurance. Hang in there, it will be worth it.
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The scouts were no doubt irreparably harmed by the presence of those cheerleaders--get Dr Phil and Oprah on the horn, stat! (kidding)
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I understand. It's been many a year since I've been to Hooters but here's what I recall. The necklines were hardly plunging or revealing. The shorts were modest. The waitresses took pains to be polite, correct and professional, perhaps to counter some folks' image or unwanted advances. Customers included groups of men and women, and a family or two, with kids. It was a restaurant, simply put.
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Playboy logo = sexuality Hooters logo = cold beer and greasy chicken wings
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By the way, I'm have no issues with the dancers of "Chicago." Nor do I frequent Hooters--not because of the "sexuality" but because the food is just so plain and flavorless. I'm addressing the double standard. And the needless branding of the Hooters girls with The Scarlet H.
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My line isn't any better than yours. That's the point. I'm confused about the notion that selling beer/wings in shorts/tank top = squalor and immorality, yet "story telling" whilst wearing next to nothing is okay. It's also a bit of a disconnect: - Girls, it's okay to vamp it up in the name of "art" - Boys, those young women are of the Devil!
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If "sexuality" is in fact Hooter's primary tool, then they've missed the boat. Their restaurants are pretty tame. My daughter's troop was at rehearsal as an officially sanctioned GSA event. The girls were wearing their GS vests. So selling beer and wings in shorts/tank top is slatternly, but showing off one's body for "story telling" is okay? Score 1 for "Art!" You can't tell the difference between the public image of a Playboy bunny and a Hooters waitress? If you think they are close kin, therein lies the source of disagreement.
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Several years ago, my daughter's Girl Scout Troop took the train to NYC, and spent a few hours with the dancers of "Chicago" on Broadway during a rehearsal. As part of "Thanks for Surviving the Cookie Sales Death March" plan. I was deployed at the time, and my wife sent me some photos. How can I say this? My daughter and several of her pals, about age 10, were watching the chorus girls go through their routine backstage. Chorus girls wearing their very fetching dancing togs. Dancing in a very confident, joyful manner. And clearly not ashamed of their bodies (nor should they have been). By comparison, the Hooters girls are positively dowdy. The GSA must have thought it was an interesting and empowering trip for the girls to visit with the dancers. And I had no problem with it then, or now. Now part of society wants to paint the Hooters girls as women of ill repute, and "how could we expose our impressionable young Cubs to such women?" Would the anti-Hooters folks feel the same way about their daughters watching and talking to half-clad Broadway dancers? Or does "art" get a free pass?
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My kids, when they were small, loved going to Chucky Cheese. I found that a mug of beer was always helpful. That place will drive you insane.
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Whatever the fallout might be, it will be minimal compared to the ridicule incurred when National banned water guns and water balloons.
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I'm sorry you and your classmates had to endure the carping by those nitpicking scouters. I've got stronger words to describe their actions, but this is a family forum. One word is "chicken" and the other begins with "s." (salad?) They must subscribe to that school of thought "I've never done it that way = it's wrong." This kind of stuff goes on everywhere in the BSA. Then we wonder why scouters up and quit one day.
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I concur with Stosh. Also, if you live near a military installation, you can draw on their expertise as well. Every military unit has some sort of recall/mobilization plan. You can take their templates and adapt them for scout usage (telephone recall, reporting instructions, personnel accountability, etc.) After action report: very important. The scouts must be frank about what worked, what didn't, etc. -
@@Stosh, thanks for the clarification. It is an interesting dynamic. At work, the Hooters girls are G-rated when you consider what passes for "acceptable" today on TV, in social media, movies, and society in general.
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Mr. Bob, I don't think anyone is advocating elite athleticism. But there are leaders don't even try to present a "physically strong" image. Too many. It impacts the BSA's image and recruitment (birds of a feather) and sets a poor example for the scouts. We all have limitations. Age and wear/tear take their toll. However, most of us can still exercise in some manner. And watch what we eat. Collectively that would be a step in the right direction.
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@@Stosh, I'm tracking with your view point, but I'm still a bit unclear about the slippery slope/SM sentence. I'm a little slow today, could you please expound just a bit more?
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I haven't visited one of their restaurants in years. I recall pleasant, professional waitresses (no risque/unseemly conduct), cold beer and very average food. Hooter's image as a den of iniquity really doesn't match reality. On the other hand, if the "Peek-A-Boo Lounge," centrally located near the interstate, sent a couple of bona fide strippers in their dancing attire over to Cub Day Camp, or insisted on public acknowledgement of a donation, that might be another issue. Truly, the appropriateness is in the eye of the beholder. I'll give the council this--they had the courage to accept the donation and allow the wait staff to help at day camp. From what I can discern from the photos, everyone conducted themselves in a dignified manner. It's not like corporations are beating down the door to give donations to the BSA these days. Or any other organization. Sign of the times.
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@@vumbi, you make excellent points: - Image matters (the out-of-shape SM). The public is watching. - Ceremonies should be short and sweet. Long and elaborate does not equal more respect. As for cutting the flag or burning it whole, I've seen it both ways. At first I was horrified at the idea of cutting the flag. But then I saw the ceremony that followed, and it was truly the best I've seen to date. If respect and dignity are the hallmarks, proceed as you see best.
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I concur with @@Beavah. Why look for a rule? Rules are no substitute for common sense. Trust your good judgment but allow the scouts to develop their own camaraderie. Nothing worse that stifling initiative with red tape, real or imagined. @@CalicoPenn, your point is well taken. But, as an old vet (30 years active duty), I'll throw this out. If offense is taken at the pirate garb, it probably won't come from the vets themselves. Most would chuckle and make a few wise cracks. Slightly eccentric behavior is an art form. And the scouts aren't under military regulations. That said, if you have reservations, just say "full scout uniform at flag ceremonies." After dismissal, they can take the pirate bandanas out of their cargo pockets and reconfigure them on the way to chow.
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The Unrushed, Peaceful Morning Coffee at Mess Hall
desertrat77 replied to RememberSchiff's topic in Summer Camp
Agreed, the scouts can eat by themselves. The PL can ride herd and correct boisterous behavior. If the PL isn't taking care of business, the SPL can initiate a quick mentorship moment to get things back on track. Some camps have a scout leader lounge for that quiet cup of coffee. The mess hall may work, but only before and after meal time. The acoustics are usually horrible. Even during a "calm" meal.