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With the new handbook coming out this summer, I bet they are working on a field book companion for it.

While what Eagle92 describes happens all of the time, per BSA literature only registered member of the committee have a vote, and then the committee should not be voting that often. Parent, den leaders nor the cubmaster have a vote on the committee, by the rules. What are they dissatisfied about, and what about a takeover?(This message has been edited by click23)

It was explained to us at PTC last summer by a SE exactly the way Buffalo Skipper describes.

You need to have a meeting with the pastor and the COR, any action to get the money or supplies back would have to come from them. I would also let your UC and DE know of the situation, not that need to or should take charge, but just to let them know and so they can offer advice.

Ours is $210 regular program, $250 for COPE, and $285 for our high adventure program, and leaders are $75. Boys get a $25 and adults a $10 discount by paying in full by May 1. I am not sure what the fee was last year, but the camp lost over $40,000. Council came around asking for donations to help make it up, I think I heard they got about $10,000 (This message has been edited by click23)

The 2009 Uniform Guide shows a cub leader with red numbers. The insignia guide says red, but the color pictures in it show tan. So your guess is as good as mine, but mine for now is red. Boy I sure hope national puts out some kind of corrected update soon.

But then some one would get the bright idea to start selling a green Sharpie, and the whole mess starts all over again.

I emailed my scout shop manager about when the red on tan numbers were coming out, they were shown http://scoutstuff.org/BSASupply/images/pdfs/uniformguide.pdf I emailed her back this morning to tell her that they had been replaced with red on white numbers on the PDF, this is what I got back "I had emailed the insignia buyer about it and apparently it got a response! I will keep you updated."

The memo,http://www.seascout.org/for_leaders/organizational_structure/2009-02-10_SSSC_report.pdf, put out on 2/10 by the national sea scout director, Keith Christopher, is pretty clear that Sea Scouts still fall under venturing, for now. "Sea Scout members and all Ships continue to be registered as a part of Venturing (traditional) membership and units. Sea Scout Ships, as well as youth and adult members, still follow the standards of membership. Any awards, recognitions, and advancements a Sea Scout was eligible to earn prior to the change in organization are still available to them at this time. There could be changes made in the future, but none are planned at the present time. As any potential changes are reviewed, an adequate grace period will be shared with councils and with the field to allow ample time for implementation before they become a part of the program. For the moment, we stand with the statements, steady as she goes and stay the course!"

emb021, That is just confusing, but with some of the stuff that has came out of Texas recently, I have no doubt what you said is correct.

Accutally, according to the youth application, some can stay a youth until their 22nd birthday. "Venturers and Sea Scouts registered in a crew or ship prior to their 21st birthday may continue as members after their 21st birthday until the crew or ship recharters or until they reach their 22nd birthday, whichever comes first." The first recharter after their 21st birthday will catch most, but if the crew or ship have a charter period longer than one year, you could go until your 22nd birthday.

Thanks, Just pulled it up on the OA national website.

Over at http://www.seascout.org/for_leaders/adult_recognition/recognition-adult.html it says that Skippers can earn the Advisors Award of Merit, but I cannot to seem to find this anywhere where else, or is this website official enough?

Our districts call out was scheduled for our spring camporee last weekend, but was postponed until this weekend because of weather. One of the troops has a boy that was elected, and attended the camporee, but will not be able to attend the call out this weekend. After doing a bit of searching here, some have said that the call out is not mandatory, but our chapter adviser seems to think it is. Can anyone point me towards where it says it is not mandatory? I am also checking with the chapter adviser to see if he can be called out at another time.

I was just over at sageventure.com looking for some knots for a Venturing uniform and to my surprise no knots, except a Girl Scout Gold Award knot, are available. "BSA has asked me to stop using BSA logos so I have taken down this web page. My objective was to make Venturing just a little nicer by providing quality Venturing colored knots and patches."

According to the new Insignia Guide, all cubs wear red numbers and the red trained strip, which I do not believe that my councils scout shop even carries. However there is a lot of information out there that contradicts this, even the color pictures in the Insignia Guide show Webelos and cub leaders with green numbers.

"NAYLE for adults", That is the way that it was explained to me last year at PTC.

Procedure for requesting alternate requirements for Tenderfoot, Second Class and First Class rank from the 2008 Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures manual: A Scout who has a permanent physical or mental disability and is unable to complete all of the requirements for Tenderfoot, Second Class, or First Class rank may submit a request to the council advancement committee to complete alternate requirements. Below are the procedures for applying for alternate requirements. To keep Scouts with disabilities as much in the advancement mainstream as possible, some advancement accommodations may be required. Thus, a Scout in a wheelchair can meet the requirements for hiking by making a trip to a place of interest in his community. Giving more time and permitting the use of special aids are other ways leaders can help Scouts with disabilities in their efforts to advance. The substitute should provide a similar learning experience. Bear in mind the outcome of the Scouting experience should be one of fun and learning, and not completing requirements for rank advancements, which might place unrealistic expectations on the special-needs Scout. Step 1Do As Many Standard Requirements As Possible. Before applying for alternate requirements, the Scout must complete as many of the standard requirements as his ability permits. He must do his very best to develop himself to the limit of his abilities and resources. Step 2Secure a Medical Statement. A clear and concise medical statement concerning the Scouts disabilities must be submitted by a licensed health-care provider. It must state that the disability is permanent and outline what physical activities the Scout may not be capable of completing. In the case of a mental disability, an evaluation statement should be submitted by a certified educational administrator relating the ability level of the Scout. Step 3Prepare a Request for Alternate Requirements. A written request must be submitted to the council advancement committee for the Scout to work on alternate requirements for Tenderfoot, Second Class, and First Class ranks. The request should include the standard requirements the Scout has completed and the suggested alternate requirements for those requirements the Scout cannot complete. This request should be detailed enough to give the advancement committee enough information to make a decision. The request should be prepared by the Scout, his parents, and his Scoutmaster. A copy of the medical statement in step 2 should be included. Step 4The Advancement Committee Reviews the Request. The council advancement committee should review the request, utilizing the expertise of professional persons involved in Scouts with disabilities. The advancement committee may want to interview the Scout, the parents, and the leader to fully understand the request and to make a fair determination. The decision of the advancement committee should be recorded Below is the procedure for requesting alternate merit badges, from the same manual: " 1. The Eagle Scout rank may be achieved by a Boy Scout, Varsity Scout, or qualified* Venturer who has a physical or mental disability by qualifying for alternate merit badges. This does not apply to individual requirements for merit badges. Merit badges are awarded only when all requirements are met as stated. 2. The physical or mental disability must be of a permanent rather than a temporary nature. 3. A clear and concise medical statement concerning the Scouts disabilities must be made by a physician licensed to practice medicine, or an evaluation statement must be certified by an educational administrator. 4. The candidate must earn as many of the required merit badges as his ability permits before applying for an alternate Eagle Scout rank merit badge. 5. The Application for Alternate Eagle Scout Award Merit Badges must be completed prior to qualifying for alternate merit badges. 6. The alternate merit badges chosen must be of such a nature that they are as demanding of effort as the required merit badges. 7. When alternates chosen involve physical activity, they must be approved by the physician. 8. The unit leader and the board of review must explain that to attain the Eagle Scout rank, a candidate is expected to do his best in developing himself to the limit of his resources. 9. The application must be approved by the council committee responsible for advancement, utilizing the expertise of professional persons involved in Scouting for people with special needs. 10. The candidates application for Eagle must be made on the Eagle Scout Rank Application, with the Application for Alternate Eagle Scout Award Merit Badges attached. * In order for a Venturer to be an Eagle candidate, he must have achieved the First Class rank as a Boy Scout or Varsity Scout." Here is "The Application for Alternate Eagle Scout Award Merit Badges", http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/58-730.pdf

"I still haven't figured out how a young scout can get to Eagle (via T-2-1 and Camping MB) without camping outdoors. Am I missing something? :-) Guy " The BSA has in place procedures for requesting alternate requirements and alternate merit badges(but not alternate requirements for merit badges) for scouts.

G2SS There are some supplemental training modules available for download here, http://www.scouting.org/BoyScouts/TrainingModules.aspx ,see if there is anything that you think that they might need. As for online training, http://scouting.org/Applications/MyScoutingFull.aspx , Fast Start: Boy Scouting, This is Scouting, and Youth Protection Training would be on the top of my list. There is some more supplemental training course there too.

Only two for now, Both are short sleeve ODL with Assistant District Commissioner POR, one has my Wood Badge CSP and the other had my councils regular CSP. Two pair of original switch back pants. I am thinking of purchasing another, probably will be a Venturing uniform with District Committee POR as I handle venturing training in my district.

Here is the syllabus from scouting.org http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/26-242.pdf

I don't have it in front of me right now, but it is in the front where it mentions awards from other scouting associations.

emb' I should have stated that I was listing changes from the old guide to the new one. I wasn't sure on the Gold Award, I double checked it and it says badge, not medal. It also states "Th Boy Scout Scout Trained emblem is green. The Cub Scout and Venturing Trained emblems are red. " Again other sources say/show otherwise. The the knots for the Doctorate of Commissioner Science, Eagle NESA Life Member, Philmont Training Center Master Track Award, and Speakers Bank Award have been added. Also, a Heritage Society pin is listed. National Venturing president and Regional venturing president. Area and Regional commissioners. Kodiak and Kodiak X awards. Missing are the OA POR patches, OA Team Rep, National chief, chapter adviser, ect. The only one shown is the OA Troop Rep.

We still have a few troops that do it that way, and the troop I was in while I was a youth in the mid 90s did it that way. One of the cons is that the BOR is a quality control indicator for the troop committee.(This message has been edited by click23)