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wow. This fellow's raving. . . Which one Mr. Boyce - the writer of the topic article or BadenP? Maybe both?

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What happened to YANN the thread originator? Or is Yann really Merlyn? Or maybe Ed? Or someone who likes to watch them bicker? cc

Beavah That is why church and state MUST be separate and the importance of the right to worship or not worship as one desires. That the state should either impose or outlaw religion only leads to disaster.

Acco wrote... ask yourself these questions. Can one be moral if one does not believe in a God or Gods? ----------- OF COURSE ONE CAN. The idea of ones inability to be moral without belief in a god is preposterous and one I hope you weren't proposing, though I know it is an argument many religous promote. cc

JoeBob wrote: But I don't want to lose the other freedoms inherent in Christianity. Which freedoms do regard as "inherent in Christianity."? I think the histories of Puritans, Church of Rome, Calvinists etc and the idea of inhernet freedoms due to Christianity would make for interesting discussion. Too often I think those who regard America as a Christian nation confuse the freedoms that were given to us by our secular constitution and government as being somehow Christian. England was a Christian nation and the founding fathers revolted. They should not have done so if

Narraticong wrote: the founding documents leading up to it most certainly leave a clear trail. I admit to being ignorant regarding a lot of my American History. If you would please give me the titles of some of the documents you refer to that I might look them up. Thanks cc

Narraticong wrote: On the other hand, as an American, I believe every citizen has a right to believe in any god, or no god, whatsoever. Without a doubt, the Constituion makes it one of our God given rights (figure that one out). What's to figure out? There is a doubt - The Constitution gives us the right as citizens. God has nothing to do with it. God is not mentioned in the Constitution. Narraticong wrote: It might be more fitting to strongly encourage individual participation in worship of the Scouts own choice, made with his family. Encourage a quiet time on outings when thos

Brothers, A Scout is Friendly. A Scout is a friend to all. He is a brother to other Scouts. He offers his friendship to people of all races and nations, and respects them even if their beliefs and customs are different from his own. A Scout is Courteous. A Scout is polite to everyone regardless of age or position. He knows that using good manners makes it easier for people to get along. A Scout is Kind. A Scout knows there is strength in being gentle. He treats others as he wants to be treated. Without good reason, he does not harm or kill any living thing. A Scout is

"Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise...." HA - I had forgotten about that skit! cc

I am sure that a lot of folks think I'm a whackjob! I do see a bit of conservative trend in some folks but they aren't the majority of those in the pews. I think Ratzinger was elected as honor of his servie to JP-II and the church and that due to his age would be a transitional pope after the long term of his predecessor. (But of course that's what they thought about John XXIII and look what he did!) Really only time will tell. YIS campcrafter

It is not a "Catholic Thang", as you have so colorfully put it; it's a whackjob thing. Agreed Didn't mean to offend only that in the Catholic Church (to which I belong) as far as I know are there these so-called true believers who think Vatican II was heresy and wouldn't mind bringing back the Inquisition. I don't know that other denominations have these type nuts in them. In those they just break off to start their own denomination?. Hopefully I haven't dug myself in deeper here! (It won't let me edit my previous post) YIS cc

It's a Catholic Thang! The first few lines of his "article" should give a clue. It is a special blessing for me to be a Catholic apologist and to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Whenever I am confronted with errors against the Faith, I do my best to expose these errors for the salvation of souls according to the gifts that God has given me. It was by Gods providence that I discovered a very dangerous movement that is attacking the Faith and the Church. He is a self important religious fanatic who is concerned more about rules and dogma of the latin church of the pa

It seems ironic that they developed Urban scouting since one of B-P reasons for starting the program was to help boys get a break from smog ridden cities such as London. BSA just shouldn't have messed with the Methods. cc

Thank you all Cooper is doing well right now. His blood counts are down as of last weeks treatment but we hope them to be on the way up when they check again tomorrow. He has shown remarkable courage and determination to beat this thing and is in good spirits. As for me I am thankful that " once a scout always a scout" and I could come here for support from this fellowship. It really means a lot to me. Peace and Blessings to all of you. Ron aka Campcrafter

I have not posted in long time - since my son dropped out of Scouts a year or so ago. However I know that there are many pray-ers here and so I am asking that you say a prayer for my son Cooper, 13, who was diagnosed with brain cancer last month. After several weeks of headaches and vomiting last fall, an MRI was done and a tumor found. Surgery in mid-December removed 85-90%. It was then we were told it was cancerous - anaplastic ependymoma. He is now receiving chemo treatments and then will undergo radiation beginning next month. All prayers and positive energy appreciated.

Yeah - it could become like Branson, MO - gag. Campcrafter Who has left the forum And who will have to take the family to Branson in a couple of weeks. but would rather be working on the Ozark Trail http://www.ozarktrail.com/

Thanks for the notes and yes I hope he'll want to try another troop in a few months. Maybe after the first of the year. Semper- To clarify - no it wasn't that the uniform is dorky (he had full uniform socks and shorts and neckerchief as do most of the boys in the troop now), nor was it outdated merit badges (he had Space Exploration and wanted to do Pets and First Aid)and most of his buddies are in Scouts, about 5 of these boys go to the same school and have been in Scouts together since Tigers. Nor the icons - the boys in his patrol chose as a name Rabid Wolverines and thought it cool.

Dear Fellow Scouters, Well things just haven't worked out at the troop my son is in and he has been put off so that he and I have decided to move on to something else. Thought things were getting better but after reports about the campout this weekend ( we did not attend my son was sick last week and with the weather and homework we thought it best to stay home) it just isn't getting better. There is no leadership in this unit. I did discuss with my wife becoming more involved, but based on a number of factors we decided it just isn't worth the anguish ( or our marriage) M

Brian wrote: Please post after you are a little more prepared next time. Brian, In reading your web site you link and mention some statistical numbers from the BSA web site. Other than that, as shown by your TOC below, everything else is your opinion. No it is not scientific. You do not try to expain what the numbers on the BSA site really mean. TABLE OF CONTENTS THE BOY SCOUT ORGANIZATION IS IN TROUBLE, REALLY!! COMMON MYTHS OF WHY WE LOOSE BOYS.. AND IT IS NOT PERFUME AND GAS FUMES! Actually Brian the "Older Boy" Problem has been there since day one. Check BSA

First off I want to mak clear I mean no offense to Brian - I do not know you and can only respond to what I read. BUT Brian has the same "tone" as many who have joined this forum wanting to "SAVE SCOUTING" from itself have had, and at first I thought it might be one of those persons come back. I'm still not sure. Brian you say you were recruited and sent to WB in what sounds like a very short time period and have been stunned by the declining numbers in Scouting. Do you not think that others who have been around for years have seen this "problem" and are trying to address it? Certain

Re: the Jolly Roger The oldest Sea Scout Ship in the country is Ship 24 in Houston SS Jolly Roger When my brother was a member of the Ship their medallion was a round, black patrol like medallion with white skull and cross bones. Sur eit still is. cc

Without doubt this man has been a good scoutmaster as far as leading the boys. He should be thanked and wished well. However people being what they are the boys will eventually find out why he separated from his wife. Then the boys will ask why did we give him an award if he wasn't morally staight? Do you have an answer for them?

Big E of course I have no answer for you, but it does show that good scouting is something that has to be worked at and unfortunately for all his being in your presence little of your Souting Karma has rub off onto this guy. How sad for the boys in the troop. I will say though I feel relief that even someone as knowledgeable and as dedicated as you has these kinds of difficulties. This and ASM59's thread makes me realize I am not alone in my frustrations and that I can't force others to "get it" We all know its a great program IF you do the program. I'll light a candle for