SiouxRanger

This might bog you down for a bit. Exodus 34:6-7a 6 Then the Lord passed by in front of him and proclaimed, “The Lord, the Lord God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth; 7 who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations.” Pox: "small" or "cow?" Are you "Forrest" of "Nathan Bedford Forrest" fame?

Try selling that slop to the family of Emmett Till. That there is even a thread named, "Just Ku Kluxin' Around" is extremely offensive and totally unacceptable. Period. That slaughter is practiced elsewhere, does not make slaughter here acceptable.

Yep. Or, let everyone over the age of 3 in Uruguay vote also. They have as much legal interest in the outcome of the vote as claimants with expired, legally unenforceable claims. And, I also want to vote on your next pay raise, as long as I get 10% of the raise I vote for. I agree with acema606.

“The moving finger writes; and, having writ, moves on: nor all thy piety nor wit shall lure it back to cancel half a line, nor all thy tears wash out a word of it. -- Omar Khayyam. And to whomever has the poster name of "Just Ku Kluxin Around" you have a beyond offensive poster name. The Ku Klux Klan lynched innocents, yet your name makes it sound like the Klan is a light-hearted, jovial, carefree organization-except they are ruthless killers. And they made themselves feel empowered by taking on the defenseless. A pox on your house.

This one puzzling aspect of the bankruptcy: time barred claims being given any consideration whatsoever. I don't believe that the bankruptcy judge can make time-barred claims viable again. If the SOL has expired, time-barred claims are barred, and that is it, that is, at least as a matter of judicial compulsion. Having no legal interest in the bankruptcy proceeding, they do not have standing, and should have no vote. (Hence, my belief that claims should be vetted for viability prior to any vote.) Insurance companies won't support any payment by them to time-barred claimants.

I have no doubt that you are right on both counts. The "bloated NEB" is likely right in line with BSA's "pay to play" for the distinction of being named to the NEB. In my council, no decisions of any consequence are ever presented to the Council Executive Board-at least in my day on theExecutive Board. And decades later, a senior professional with true talent asked me to go on the Executive Board to counteract the large number of Executive Board members who had no idea what was going on and lend direction and power to the Executive Board. I declined having 4 years of Executive Boar

So, an LC goes it alone. No suits are filed, so it "wins." Or, It gets hit by lawsuits in state court and after the usual preliminaries, decides to file bankruptcy. Its territory gets absorbed by another council, and Scouting continues. If the camp(s) and office lost are camp(s) and offices that should/could/ought be lost anyway-not much of a downside. The SE retires or is moved to replace a retiring SE, the DE's remain to serve the council's former territory...

I agree 100%. I've been mulling your "Bankruptcy will not end Scouting" tag for a long time. Existing (and prior) management, they may well kill Scouting-unless they go. The corporate culture that got Scouting to this point has to change-and that is only accomplished by a clean sweep. Will the shamed senior management remain in place to shout down junior level management's "we-told-you-so's?" National's management has been a catastrophic moral failure. That alone is reason enough for the clean sweep. Never mind the disastrous financial consequences, and the gutting of rel

In 1946, Dr. Louis Slotin, while demonstrating how to assemble two spheres of fissionable material, which together were enough for critical mass, slipped. He was using screwdrivers on a lab bench to keep the two spheres apart and thereby prevent a sustained nuclear reaction. When he slipped, the spheres connected, and he received a lethal dose.. It is called "tickling the dragon's tail." Mr. K might read "The Strange Death of Louis Slotin." Judges have very long memories.

I took Wood Badge a few years back. I did't get much guidance on designing my ticket. Staff was leaving it all rather vague-I think as a way to encourage participants to be creative and devise a ticket that wasn't influenced by WB staff (they did suggest refinements to my ticket items). It wasn't until into the second weekend that an off hand comment from a staff member finally showed me the reason they encouraged more than 5 ticket items though only 5 had to be completed to fulfill one's ticket. What if you only had 5 ticket items and for reasons beyond your control, it could not or e

Just about says it all, doesn't it?

Things happen in the legal realm either by agreement or by compulsion. One leverages an agreement out of the opposition by presenting a strong case of compulsion. Only National has filed bankruptcy, so when it filed bankruptcy, it was the only "party" to the proceeding and thereby subject to the compulsion of the court. Creditors (holders of business type, claims of a known amount), and Abuse Claimants (holders of claims of unknown amount) who receive notice can agree to become a party by filing a claim or can decide not to file a claim. Either way, they will be bound by the orders

In a single council? Nationally?

That comment triggered a spontaneous chuckle. It is sad however, that individuals who have risen to the SE level are so deficient.So man of them. Of my council's last 5 SE's, 3 of them evoked the "Champagne Kill Goodbye." And, just anecdotal, for how many councils can any one of us experience in any depth, but enough anecdotes posted here can show a trend. Well, this is actually encouraging. I don't think any of my council's DE created units were anything but phantom. I would be very interested if you could post the 10 or 12 steps a DE was to follow to create a new unit. T

My recollection is that there was huge BSA membership fraud. Way back to A. G. Barber's day. The United States Postal Marshalls raided Circle Ten's offices seeking membership records, and the Atlanta Council, I believe, agreed to strike somewhere around 14,000 names from its membership role. Mames aybe c. 2000±? Whichever council it was, struck more names than registered in my council. A huge scandal. And BSA gets a "pass." "Well, anyone can make a mistake." The day of BSA getting a "pass" has passed.

Got to show a 2% growth to Congress. (I think 2% is National's Standard for annual growth). Knowing not where else to mention this: Does anyone here have experience observing a DE actually creating a bona fide "new unit?" In my council, phantom units appeared on the books, but they never functioned at all. I was told by a reporter that a group of kids who toured the newspaper's printing facility were all required to fill out a Scouting Application before the tour. Behold: "A NEW UNIT," and the miracles continue unabated. Yet the ship still sank.

My version of this site must be broken, as I tried to upvote in scientific notation, something on the order of X times 10 to the seventh, but it would not work. I have not heard anything from my council nor from my many contacts about the bankruptcy and its effect on my council, and I maintain constant contact with many of them. Finally, my council's last SE, had, I believe, 27 DE's leave during his term of office of 5 years. We have 5 districts with one DE per district. His departure was not mourned by volunteers or professionals alike. No one I have met in our council had a

In my 10 year applicable year range, the candidates "offered" were 100% manipulated. I have NO confidence in any B..S.A. governance document. (I have read all of them-they are trash legal drafting, unless you represent National. Then they make perfect sense.)

I find this to be a very curious comment. So, perhaps, could it be, that the "Duty to God" element was introduced to U.S. Scouting to entice religious denominations to accept the Chartered Organization role on a denomination-wide basis? And, perhaps, so adopted because the SOLE religious denomination in Great Britain was the Church of England (courtesy of some arrogant King), but in America, many denominations were active and Constitutionally NEVER to be circumscribed. Does anyone have any further insight beyond my limited knowledge?

Don't take CS seriously the minute he/she departs from commenting on btcy pleadings.

What I know of Mosby comes largely from this forum. But I see a pattern here, and it troubles me. My experience with my local council, at district and council level, was that when there was bad news to deliver to a volunteer (we no longer want you to be Chairperson of District Boy Scout Outdoor...etc.) the appropriate level professional, DE, or mid level council staffer, would recruit a volunteer senior to the volunteer to be ousted, and have the senior volunteer to the dirty work. Thereby, the face of the "ugly" would be that of a volunteer, not a professional. I saw it time a

My understanding is that when there is an SE vacancy, Area or Region submits the names of 3 SE candidates along with documentation regarding those 3 candidates. The LC search committee is limited to selecting one of those 3 candidates, and are to consider nothing other than the documentation provided by Area/Region, and interviews with the 3 candidates, and make their selection based on solely that. In fact, a search committee member had a good scouter friend in the council of one of the 3 candidates and contacted that good scouter friend for inside information, and when that contact became

So, this may be the best recruitment year in the last 3 or so? Maybe there will be a post-covid, bankruptcy-pending rebound.

This is just another of those aspects of all of this which has so many levels. From my understanding of compensation, governance, and promotions, successful fundraising does not increase the salary of any staff member of an LC. Directly. I am not aware of "commission" income based on fundraising. However, it is also my understanding that the SE, at least, and likely any Development Director, are judged as far a job performance on the success of LC fundraising. That might lead to an incremental raise, but the big money is an SE being promoted to a larger LC with a larger staff and g

I'll just say, people are not machines. It is very difficult to tell masses of folks to do one thing, and then, when conditions change, flip the switch and expect a complete reversal of the momentum. There is likely to be loss of CO's, scouts, parents, and leaders after any reversal. People will have moved on or be fatigued by the whole mess.