Eagle1970

Does this plan have the same scaling factors for the location of the abuse? If so, where can I reference it? I don't see the referenced Schedule 1.

Should BSA do everything it can to promote awareness to prevent or minimize future exposure to the children, I do not oppose the continuation of the organization. Just because they did me great harm doesn't give me the right to deny kids the future opportunity under those protections. That said, I am no attorney-just a claimant. This thing looks like it will drag on for some time. With that in mind, if I were you I would monitor and defer until we have a better picture. I would have to believe that there would not be just tons of corporate sponsorships with the media attention being given the bankruptcy and abuse. And though I lack the data, the negative press cannot help membership in the near-term. Not to mention the uncertainty of the virus. I really wanted to go to a concert in December, but I passed on the tickets last week.

This is interesting. Are there numbers available for these subgroups? How large could the group be who indicate "No Impact Alleged" or "No Physical Abuse"? Certainly I understand emotional abuse, but what kind of claim can be made for No Impact?

The disclosures that have been shown since I made the comment earlier are certainly a step in the right direction. But when I said they should put it on the brochure "like the warnings on cigarette packs" I really meant it. In addition, I don't want to be stupid and suggest an awareness merit badge, but the children need to be educated. I had no idea about what grooming was when my abuse began. I just thought he was a really nice man who cared about me a whole lot. Had I been made aware that if a man tries to get too friendly with a boy it may not turn out well and is probably not a good idea, I would have listened. I had no idea how abuse would progress. Perhaps mandatory class on abuse awareness and avoidance would be helpful, when joining. As opposed to destroying much of a child's life, this is worth whatever discomfort that may accompany it.

Catholic Church, Marianist Schools and sports programs, BSA. Of the 3, BSA has had the greater issue to me, because of the overnights. But the church and school programs had a similar issue and opportunists found a way. We had "retreats" in school and church. And though my issue was in BSA, many others were abused through those organizations. Education and disclosure are necessary in all organizations with opportunity for nefarious behaviors. Now, of course, I will have nothing to do with any of them. Again, sadly.

I don't argue for more money. And I don't need the money. I am arguing for equity and fairness in compensation based on abuse and not on politicians and lawmakers.

Having experienced the pure joy of Covid last year, it didn't take anything more than disclosure and availability to get me over to Walgreens.

Yes, and when I say "Sadly" I mean it. Even children need more education on the topic. Had I been thoroughly warned, I "may have" been able to reduce my abuse.

I respect that and I'm sure disclosure is better, as my story is from long ago. But sadly it is going to need to be like on the pack of cigarettes before it is fully realized.

Being a victim who has been tortured for a lifetime, I am guilty of expressing myself as I am still working through it all. My vested interest is gone, as I prohibited my children from participating in BSA after cubs. So, really, I get what you are saying but find myself on the exact opposite position. I would separate the future of BSA into a spinoff.

Yes, I am a very good sheep. That would clearly help. And, yes, I am missing most everything off the main thread unless I am knocked on my head and linked to it.

Fair enough. Put disclosures to parents in all promotional material to inform them of the risk of abuse, because many really don't know. My parents did not or I'm sure my mom would have steered me away from BSA.

You want to know what I believe would be fair??? How about this: BSA compensates ALL abuse victims without regard to SOL. AND, should they be unable to accomplish that within legal framework let's see them reach out to EVERY State Legislature and ask them to offer a window. THAT is what they should do if they really cared.

While topics do bounce around a bit, almost all are relevant to either the bk issues, sol issues or my personal favorite-trying to work through my abuse and move forward. I have been an admin on a fb forum in the recent past and certainly understand your desire to keep it on track. But the fact is, at least in my case, it already is. Each of these issues is of great interest to me and if they were bounced over to other forums, I would likely miss out on valuable info.

I share your concerns. A recent news article addressed the arrest of an adult who was capturing hidden video and involved in abuse as recently as last month, AT THE VERY CAMP where my abuse occurred over 50 years ago and set in motion a lot of trauma in my life. The reality that these children will suffer for years to come from the events that occurred THIS summer leads me to believe that even with the improvements in procedures, parents and children simply cannot be assured protection by the BSA.

It's my abuse and my choice whether I choose to prosecute. And I fully resent the inference on the money. I don't need it and the justice I seek is with the BSA for allowing this culture for many years. I do not want a target on my back from my abuser and therefore I choose how I want to proceed. I read the headline that is was confidential. Sadly, there was fine print about disclosing to 3rd parties and law enforcement that I failed to read.

Ok. Mandatory reporting. I get that. I should have read that. My abuser likes guns. Great. Thanks BSA. My proof already made its way to the Catholic Insurance Fund. Might just as well put it in the paper. This whole thing has gone from helping victims into an all-out S### show. I don't need the minimal compensation as much as I need my security and well-being. Just sorry I ever filed.

Wait a minute.... Are our proofs being shared with law enforcement? I'm about done with this charade. Guaranteed confidentiality and offered equitable compensation. Now there is neither???

Lacking a background in law, I am still doing my best to follow the hearings and rulings. Some aspects aren't clear to me, though. For instance, does the rating system for Grey/Open States remain relevant if the TCC/FCR/Coalition/BSA approved plan fails? This issue has really bothered me because the assurance of equitable compensation and confidentiality were primary factors in my choice to file a claim. Had I known the zip code of my abuse would become the primary factor, I would have considered that carefully.

Everyone would be well-served to become educated on the "spy cameras" and what to look for. They can look like a smoke-detector, phone charger and so on.

Now I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes, not for myself, but for the realization that boys have certainly continued to be abused at the same camp for all of these years. I join those who say it is a societal problem. But if children cannot be protected, and they clearly cannot, then there is no place for them to attend events such as camp. There will always be an abuser and always be a hidden spot for them to prey on the kids. Clearly, this camp still does not provide adequate protection for the attendees. Regardless of my personal feelings regarding the future of scouting, just how in the hell can the scouts ever continue with these events occurring. The PR will cause parents to reconsider membership (I would hope) and the new round of lawsuits awaiting, with no SoL, will handcuff any future efforts. This case alone, though it occurred during bankruptcy, would be a blank check for a sympathetic jury.

Just heard this on the news. JUST LAST WEEK!!! 50+ years after my abuse at this Scout Camp, it is still occurring. While details are lacking, there are both sexual abuse and hidden cameras involved. It was a troop counselor, not an employee. One of the smartest things I have ever done was prohibiting my children from being scouts. I am speechless. The report states that a review of the cameras’ recorded footage showed numerous individuals in the state of both dress and undress while some performed sexual acts. Five juveniles and one adult were identified and three juvenile males have yet to be identified. Scout chaperone charged after cameras found in S Bar F Scout Ranch shower rooms | Crime and Courts | dailyjournalonline.com

It reminds me of when I was rear-ended at 45 mph by a lady whose first words to me were: "Sorry, I was adjusting my radio". There was $60k in property damage/collision and no claim of injury on my part. Several people told me to just file a claim and they'll send me a decent sum just to close it. My response was "I wasn't injured so I am not going to claim I was". On the other hand, there was my friend's wife "slip and fall Jane" (name changed to keep me from being another victim) who literally made her living doing exactly that-and got pain pills to boot. What a deal! If she had been a scout, I would have expected her to file a claim regardless of facts. Point being, there are bound to be many thousands of "victims" who really are only opportunists. But I wonder if it's worth causing more damage to legitimate claimants by going through the process of weeding out phonies. Many legitimate cases, at this point, will be anecdotal simply because abusers tend not to leave a lot of evidence of their activity. Now knowing that there will be much more detail furnished plus the potential for interview, I suspect many of the opportunists will exit stage left.

In my case, I'm clearly still working through it. I know that because sometimes what I post would make a pitiful legal argument. I really don't suppose I'll ever really be past it. It's just part of my past. Not my fault. Not even close to my fault.

That's the way I read it from the start. It sounded good for a minute though.