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  1. OK, bit of an aside, but I always found the Req's for the Camping MB weird. The Scout can only claim one long term camping trip (up to 6 nights) and needs 20 nights. But no guidance on what a short term camping trip is. 1 night? 2? 3? 4? 5?. What about a Scout who has done multiple long term camps? It seems weird that they can use a one night car camping trip, but no nights at all from that 12 night Philmont expedition because they already had a summer camp counted? Or does it camp for x nights?
  2. NAYLE and Rayado are very different propositions. I honestly think it is a mistake to approach this as a "I want to visit a HA base" instead of a "I want to experience ..... activities offered by a HA base". Philmont base camp is essentially a bunch of tents in a field, fun to see it if you never had for a couple of minutes (or maybe an hour if you go to the store). It is the activities and experiences where it shines. NAYLE is an extension of NYLT, you are going to learn leadership skills. Very classroom based. Rayado is backpacking, in the wilds, walking a long way and seeing remo
  3. It feels so easy to define a mammal. Until you learn about the Duck Billed Platypus.
  4. For those in or around Southern California, or with interest in visiting, I wanted to let you know of a new award we just got approved. The Southern California Historic Trails Triple Crown award is this cool medal: To earn it you have hike and backpack on three historic trails in Southern California, namely and earning the related awards: The Mormon Battalion Award The El Camino Real award The De Anza Trail award and do a little trail maintenance.
  5. We went up Mt San Gorgonio, which is the highest mountain in Southern California, about 11500 ft. Despite planning a 3 day trip the kids decided they wanted to compress it into 2 days: (miles are total/cumulative, not per section, height is altitude not height gained) Day 1: Trailhead (0 miles, 6880 ft) to junction to campsite (about 5.5 miles, 9520 ft). Dumped packs, took daypacks to summit (9.5 miles, 11502 ft) and back to campsite (14.0 miles, 9220 ft). Day 2 Campsite (14.0 miles, 9220 ft) to Trailhead (19.5 miles, 6880 ft) Winds at the summit 30mph gusting to 50mph. Str
  6. There is a ship you can book a trip on in the San Juan islands? https://www.sssodyssey.org/bsa-charters-details Or if you start considering something further south, the Sierra Nevada is awesome. Though backcountry permits have been crazy to get this year. One seemingly long term effect of the pandemic (or maybe the Insta craze) is that EVERYONE wants to get into the backcountry.
  7. I don't think there has ever been one. Why? I can guess at two reasons. First, Philmont charges per Scout not per Crew, so unless your number goes below the minimum for a crew then there is little incentive to add strangers into your crew. Second, there are great options for Scouts to attend Philmont as individuals (OA Trek, Ranch Hands, Conservation Crew etc) where those opportunities don't (I think) exist at the other HA bases (except a single Opkip trip)
  8. Orange County have revamped their High Adventure website (and seemingly added a few new awards. I added a separate topic here:
  9. For those unaware, various councils around the Southwest (Southern California, Nevada, Arizona) in what I think used to be Area 4, have a set of local High Adventure Awards. I had previously mentioned these in and These awards are given for participating in various local High Adventure trips, climbing local mountains and so on. Many of them include additional requirements for trail maintenance or conservation. I don't think other councils have similar programs.
  10. I wanted to highlight that the Orange County Council High Adventure team have recently revamped their website and it is PHENOMENAL! Check it out at https://www.occhat.org/ They have details on their various trainings, a whole interactive searchable section of all the various High Adventure awards from Southern California and the Southwest, trek suggestions etc. I think this site really sets the bar for other councils who mostly, at best, have links to the 4 National High Adventure Bases on their website and nothing else. I really hope this invigo
  11. I wanted to highlight that a cool High Adventure award patch is currently in the semi-final of the Scouts Life Favorite Patch March Madness competition. If you aren't aware of the competition, Scouts Life magazine recently solicited Scouts and Scouters to send in photos of their favorite patches. They then created a little competition to do pairwise voting, aka brackets, where every day you can vote for your favorite patch out of pairs. After a few days the patch from each pair with the most votes moves into the next round, and so on until the final winner. Right now the competition is in the
  12. Whereabouts in Inyo NF were you? We want specifics. Looks awesome (looks like it was a GREAT Adventure)
  13. Agree that Scout Skills are best "taught" in the context of doing real Scouting activities on campouts not so much in isolation. Often a little friendly competition helps. Cooking - have a patrol cooking competition. Define one meal as having to be cooked on the open fire (also teaches firecraft) Knots & Lashings - have a patrol competition for the best campsite gadget - maybe a pot holder for the cooking competition above? Or who can build the biggest tower that will support a Scout. Or can fire a tennis ball the furthest? (Assuming BSA hasn't banned catapults and trebuchets)
  14. Appreciate your tongue in cheek comment here. Though, fwiw, the 1918 flu didn't disappear. It became endemic, albeit it mutated to strains that were less virulent. The genetic markers can be seen in pretty much every years seasonable flu, and when combined with avian flu, in bird flu outbreaks such as in 2009.
  15. Be careful of observer bias here. In our area, the part of the community that doesn't want to wear masks or vaccinate are certainly more vocal. The part of the community that don't want to be around those who don't wear masks or vaccinate is at least equally sizable but will just won't turn up and not say anything. I tend to agree that at the Scouting level we should align with governmental national and local guidance, neither adding nor subtracting anything. Certainly at the Troop level. Even with that I received a lovely nastygram from a parent when I passed on requirements
  16. That is a tough one to crack. I think the answer lies somewhere in the high expectations for youth to actually do adventurous, grown up stuff without parental/adult supervision and leadership. I'm not a big sports person but my impression is that there isn't anywhere near so much of that. I'm speaking as a latch-key generation kid, we were pretty free range and if we wanted to do anything we had to organize it ourselves. I vividly remember my youth scout camps where we would always do a night hike - we'd leave camp at around 11pm and hike until dawn, the adults would arrange meeting spots ever
  17. Additionally, there are example(s) of existing public health initiatives that have leveraged Scouting. The ScoutStrong Presidential Lifestyle Award promotes physical activity and healthy eating. The American Heart Association seem to have had a collaboration to provide instruction at Cub Scout Camps. The 50 year anniversary EPA award encourages Scouts to volunteer in Public Health related service projects. Girl Scouts have a program on SNAP (Scouting Nutrition & Physical Activity Program) to promote healthier living.
  18. Some other useful literature: Asensio-Ramon J, Álvarez-Hernández JF, Aguilar-Parra JM, et al. The Influence of the Scout Movement as a Free Time Option on Improving Academic Performance, Self-Esteem and Social Skills in Adolescents. Int J Environ Res Public Health. 2020;17(14):5215. Published 2020 Jul 19. doi:10.3390/ijerph17145215 also Dibben C, Playford C, Mitchell R Be(ing) prepared: Guide and Scout participation, childhood social position and mental health at age 50—a prospective birth cohort study J Epidemiol Community Health 2017;71:275-281. and a news report on the
  19. Apropos of tax deductions and Scouting: https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2020/02/14/tax-time/
  20. I'm much more positive on your suggestion here. To answer some of the basic questions here: Is there enough here to write a paper for a school/university class? Yes Does/can Scouting have a positive influence on public health? Yes, albeit hard to measure and probably not super significant given the scale of Scouting relative to the population. Could public policy changes enable Scouting to be more effective at improving public health? Yes, though likely a hard sell given 1) it isn't a primary goal of Scouting, but an incidental effect; its hard to measure, the effect is small, a
  21. I'm not sure how useful this is as essentially pure personal and biased opinion, rather than quantitative fact. However.... My father was a Scout in late 1940's/early 1050's Bristol, in the UK. You may not know much about Bristol, but it is, and was, a major port. It also was the location for the Bristol Aircraft factory. As a result, the center of the city was pretty much leveled by German bombing. The city was essentially an urban mess, with a lot of poverty and crime. My father credited Scouting with essentially putting him on the proverbial "straight and narrow" by creatin
  22. Wondering if anyone ever got any numbers on how many Scouts (ever, average per year) earn this award? I recently saw some reports on a local-ish Scout who earned the Albert Einstein Supernova award and the article said he was the 13th Scout ever to earn it. Anyway I doubt numbers are anywhere near as low, but it would be fascinating to know a ballpark.
  23. A little off topic but we should start a thread of old scouting memorabilia we have collected, and any stories around them.
  24. For car camping and a desire to keep things cold I would splash out for the Yeti Rambler. Hydro flask work fine too. If clipping into a belt I’d prefer just a smaller plastic bottle and plan to refill regularly but I don’t like the weight pulling down on my pants. For backpacking I like to use a bladder as I like to have ready access and I find getting water bottles out of the side pockets to be awkward enough that I don’t drink regularly. Avoid putting anything other than water (no drink powders) in the bladders. I will sometimes supplement the bladder with 1-2 Smart water bottles
  25. We did not unfortunately, and I don't think our other crew did. The furthest south we got was North Fork Urraca. She must have spent time with another equally awesome and cheerful crew 🙂 I hope your daughter had an amazing summer. It must be so much fun to staff there. Oh how I wish I were 18 again!
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