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ThenNow

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  1. As has been seen with some of the issues/topics that needed to be ‘banned’ or pulled out as separate threads, maybe there are other things that are simply dead horses and bones of contention. Some of the cyclic debates, in my reading, no longer advance the purpose of understanding and processing though what has happened (to Scouting, Scouts, Scouters and survivors) and what is happening, will happen, may happen and may never happen. The moderators probably have a better 30,000 feet view of what those may be. I have some thoughts, but my comments won’t be taken well by some, I’m fairly certain.
  2. We’ve briefly touched on the physiological and neurological changes created by trauma. While it is extremely interesting to me and I wish more people understood/wanted to understand it, I’m thinking it’s far afield. It might be very helpful to have a place to post articles and links as a ‘digital library’ for any who want to understand sexual abuse trauma, the various forms of impact, Complex PTSD and all the attendant issues. Could even say it’s not a discussion thread, simply a resource. (I know some people say I’m one of the smartest people on the forum, but this is a pretty good idea if I
  3. As I’ve said, “speck and log.” I’m not talking about or thinking about anything but BSA for these purpose. Relativity is irrelevant here. I can’t operate on two patients at once. I’m not a machine, man. Good lord. 😬
  4. Might be time to upgrade that jalopy to a Recteq, my friend.
  5. Wonder what it would be with 12 victims…Hm. PS - My point in this exercise is to attempt to disabuse some of the notion that 82,500 is some unthinkable, absurd and clearly bloated number of victims. Is simply is not. Further, it’s most likely statistically quite understated.
  6. Yup. That’s what I’m talkin’ about, Willis. Now we’re cooking with Hickory!
  7. lets try 1 in 100 and then maybe 1 in 300 At 1 in 100 115 M scouts =1,150,000 victims At 1 in 200 115 M scouts = 575,000 victims To that I’m all like, “BAM! IN YO FACE!” Thanks, John. (They don’t know that you were a plant and we set that up. Came off beautifully. No we didn’t, but I ran numbers and knew it would be way better with the dramatic pause as we waited for the big reveal. I’m so clever. Pah.)
  8. Everybody hold tight while I get this out. That’s what I thought. This is where I’m all like, ya know, I go all Will Robinson Robot, “Does not compute. Does not compute...” There are a bunch of pretty bright people on this forum and not just a couple men of science and numbers. How do we even think about balking at 82,500 claims for child sexual abuse when: 1) Statistics indicate sexual abusers abuse approximately 100 victims in their period of active predation. Remember, sexual abuse is not limited to touching. It starts at elements that constitute “grooming” (did I just babble?), d
  9. What is the accepted number of BSA Scouts since inception?
  10. I respect you, but this continued argument is both irrelevant and echoes the parable of the “speck and the log.” This thread is about the BSA Chapter 11. No one other. That Chapter 11 was and is being driven by the fact of historic, concealed and denied child sexual abuse in BSA. Do other youth-serving organizations deserve to be scrutinized? Of course. Do I care about that right here, right now for the purposes of this discussion? Nope. ”Mom! I know I threw the ball through the garage window, but I think Brother chipped the bathroom sink! You need to look at that!” ”Hey, officer. I
  11. I am happy to link to actual peer reviewed research, too. Maybe we go to another thread, though, based on experience here, most survivors stay here. Lots more bk banter and details. I was trying to give a lay person’s summary from a treatment center. They do that well because they are marketing via getting people to understand both the problems and treatment modalities.
  12. There so much more to this and I know it’s been suggested to go elsewhere with this topic/thread. I’d love to do that, if anyone else is interested. MCVAStory has posted other great stuff, as I recall. For what it’s worth to anyone: (Excerpt. See link that follows the quotes section.) How Does the Brain Change from Sexual Trauma? During the traumatic experience, your sympathetic nervous system releases stress hormones throughout your brain, preparing to fight, flee or freeze. During sexual assault, your mind and body are in survival mode, trying to get through the event and proc
  13. I am N.O.T. saying it’s so, Joe, but this has been part of my drip, drip drivel and fear. I’ve said it a number of times. I believe the TCC has sincere intentions to see it doesn’t happen, as per the Shading of the Map, but... “Come here little boy. It’s safe to come out of your warm, cozy house. Tell me about your fears and nightmares and the bad, bad man/men. I will give you popcorn and candy. You’ll feel better, I promise. That’s it. There we are. I know it’s hard but...” *SLAM* * CLICK* “Oh, oh. So very, very sorry. You’ve gotten yourself locked out, haven’t you? Terrib
  14. I am truly, truly sorry for the abuse you and the others who posted suffered at home. Unfortunately, I know that as well. I say this not to lessen the importance of your trauma or elevate my experience in any way. I am very glad you had Scouting and found what you needed as a foundation for your life. As a young boy, I believe I was attempting the same, but waded into the wood chipper. My dad was badly physically abused by his mother, which pattern often repeats. He was the oldest son, as am I. (What he passed on to me was not nearly what he suffered, thankfully.) I joined Cub Scouts and
  15. First Dr. Kennedy’s encoded shoutout, now this! I know what to do. Since I used to manage artists and such, I will take on myself doubling my client base. My firm is booming! Pah. I wonder if I should engage a copy editor for my new client. Hm. Managing a big practice is complex and exhausting.
  16. Yes. You’re right. I am admittedly an outlier. I was not a survivor who was geared/teed/lawyered up in state court and I didn’t see a single ad or solicitation. No telemarketers. No contact via NESA. Nada. All I saw was Mosby’s announcement via the WSJ and I dove in. Off to Delaware I went. I know the net was cast wide and other parties (TCC, etc.) had a role in that, I believe. I was initially hopeful they really meant “all abuse survivors” would receive “equitable compensation.” I am starting to feel I was very naive. I still think Muttsy’s point is still well taken. You feed those you invit
  17. Thank you for your post, your passion and the pushback. Much appreciated. I do hope you have heard other voices here, survivors and Scouters, who have champion the cause of victims. I and several others of our cohort are here. We will continue to speak our minds and our hearts, whatever the reaction or backlash. Thank you, again.
  18. If you’re reading my posts - I flatter myself you are - I have forgotten. I’ve have been pounding on this very issue. It doesn’t seem to have a lot of impact. They chose the language and printed the “come one, come all” gilded invitation.
  19. The joker and the thief. Perfect. Thank you Robert Zimmerman and Jimi. I needed that, Muttsy.
  20. I’m thinking those who’ve repeatedly equated him with certain members of the animal kingdom and vigorously defended BSA might get picked ‘first team all stars’ this round, my friend. Who knows, maybe he’ll post and let us all know.
  21. If those “invalid” claims are wholesale set aside, this will have been a farce, wrapped in a disaster, shrouded in a catastrophe, encased in a moral outrage. My disgust will know no bounds. It will be a horrible miscarriage for so many. Yet again, I go back to Mosby’s statement and the wording I previously analyzed.
  22. Hypothetical. You now live in CA, contacted and work with one of their CA attorneys. Your abuse happened in MN. Now, your attorney turns against you and files to bar your claim. That’s a wicket of the sticky variety.
  23. Well, as a non-litigator, I believe they would be in the form of objections to the RSA or Plan, for example, as has been the case with the firms already mentioned. How would your firm do that? I’m guessing they’re staunchly on the side of the TCC and Coalition arguing that all claims stay in until the Trustee gets ahold of them, which avoids the dilemma. I think. What he said. It’s possible they’re already in agreement with the TCC, et al.
  24. Just for gee whiz and because I’ve not had other occasion to share this, behold my favorite excerpt from the AIS website. I mean no harm or offense to those of us represented by AIS, but it makes me chuckle. Here ya go: ...the streamlined nature of settlement process may mean abuse survivors will get the compensation they deserve more quickly and efficiently than having future individual trial dates. Pah. At least they said, “may.” https://abusedinscouting.com/boy-scouts-of-america-bankruptcy/
  25. As I recall, not with Lucky #13, but I was more going for a moment of levity than any direct challenge to duplicative filings.
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