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I agree. I was not aware that was not comprehensive BSA policy. Every parent in our units have to take YPT in order to register their scout. They have to include their YPT certificate in their registration packet or we won't accept it.

Almost every church has their own YPT program. I am most familiar with the Catholic Church and Methodist programs. Virtus Protecting God's Children program. UMCs Safe Sanctuaries program. Babe Ruth League child protection program is a youth sports example. One component that some of these programs have that BSA does not have is a self reporting capability. For example, the Catholic Church thru Virtus offers the STOPit phone app that allows youth to anonymously report abuse of themselves or other children. To my mind, this is a key piece that is missing in BSA. In t

Here are a few ideas: - Don't recharter COs that aren't actively involved in overseeing units and verifying that YPT is being followed. - Clarify certain vague YPT BSA policies so they are less open to creative interpretation. - Encourage integration of units to break down insular unit "cultures". - Streamline volunteer roles/provide better support so units are not so desperate for volunteers that they accept questionable people or are reluctant to confront issues.

That is what I have been trying to figure out. To my recollection, I'd already seen estimates that we'd be around 1.2 million before Covid hit; I was expecting a lower number after Covid. If this is December 2020, I don't think it would capture that. I don't know if we have to wait until next year to find out. If there was an even more substantial hit than this, though, I expect we might hear more in the months to come because that would certainly affect operating cash flow for BSA and it might come up in the bankruptcy case.

I can see where that would have some basis in fact, at least as far as how that data could be a reality. In the BSA YPT system, there is no oversight. COs are supposed to be the overseers on paper, but in reality that often does not happen and there are multiple reasons why Districts, Councils, and the BSA turn a blind eye to that and don't enforce it. There is a lack of clarity in many BSA YPT policies. There is great variation in how different scouters and units interpret YPT. In those ways I think it is less effective than the YPT programs administered by some of the churches, sports leagu

That is great for you. That must be something your population really wants and you are doing well at meeting that need. Our summer events are always barely attended. Taking a break over the summer works for us. We do a couple limited things but don't go full bore.

We discussed this a lot in another post and demographics vary widely unit to unit. A lot of our families have vacation homes or do extended and multiple vacations and clear out for the summer. We also have a lot of kids in private schools and the end and start of school is all over the map. Let's not beat people up for not doing things "our" way. What works for you is great. May not work for someone else. We do offer summer pack events and we always send a small contingent to cub and troop summer camps but you can't run meetings. I will also say the volunteers sometimes really want a break.

Frankly, that's what I hope for most. That some of these larger properties, either HA bases or larger council properties, somehow get converted into federal, state or county parks. One thing no one is talking about regarding a total or partial liquidation is that having that many large acreage properties come on market at around the same time would only lead to fire sale prices. There are only so many entities in the U.S. that would have the financial means or interest to purchase large tracts, many of which are in depressed, inaccessible or less than marketable places. It could lead to fire s

I think we need to reboot. BSA was facing a situation that was not survivable: huge multi million dollar payouts on a limited series of lawsuits. When it became obvious BSA was facing not dozens but hundreds of such lawsuits, it sought bankruptcy protection in order to survive. It now appears it may be facing thousands of such cases. Whether it's 8,000 or 80,000 almost doesn't matter. I think the poster who said BSA should assess what it needs to survive and offer everything else was right. This isn't a situation where you survive and get to keep the Ferrari, this is a situation where you surv

Except BSA taking that position is the same rationalization that led to a lot of abuse cases being covered up in the first place. You can't be dispassionate about how the public will view your actions in a situation such as this.

This is the crux of the problem with YPT. There is no real, effective oversight of it. There are still some very gray areas in YPT and local commitments and viewpoints about what it is varies. As was pointed out, the reorganization plan doesn't address any of those aspects and I fear never will because BSA clearly wants this in its rear view mirror. I think it believes it's fixed the problem but it hasn't.

That was me and that was what I meant: A PR war focusing on program benefits in the court of public opinion, not in court with the lawyers. Funny how much your thinking can change in 24 hours though. This is such a negative move I doubt BSA will recover from it. If this is the strategy BSA has adopted in order to try and move forward by summer, it is not going to play well with the media and public. It comes off as arrogant, unrepentant, and inadequate. I think the time where we could have tried to do some image repairing is past. That USA Today article will seem pretty retrained in retrospec

Completely. The kids are the best and the reason we put up with the parents. Glad to hear from you.

Hey! 5thGenTexan! How you doing out there? Haven't seen a post from you in awhile. Worried about you, bud. Post up on something. Hoping things are looking better.

I am not sure what you mean by the pipe part but I think your story shows the tragically complex and long lasting effects of abuse. I have occasionally in the course of trying to recruit scouts encountered immediate, visceral and terse reactions from men about how they would never allow their sons to be involved in scouting. Before the abuse scandals really broke, I would persist and maybe try to talk to their wives because some of them were dads and families who seemed ideally suited for scouting. Now I wonder if some of them may have been victims and no longer persist. This was

Thanks. I thought that but wanted to check because I've always been a little fuzzy on how BSA tracks membership. I had the 1.2 million in my head all year for some reason, so I was worried membership as of today would be worse. I thought we'd be down to 800K due to Covid but it's apparently not that low. So kind of good news to me...

Cynical Scouter, can you clarify something for me? Are these retroactive results, meaning that they reflect the loss of the LDS units last year, or are they a current snapshot of who reregistered in December? Are these current numbers? Thanks.

Hikes where you go out and look for stuff are always good. Bird walk. Tree walk. Indian lore. Fish nets in the stream. I generally would scout the trail out ahead of time to find stuff to point out and sometimes even plant stuff for them to find. I personally think there is too much "indoors" in the program and it makes them fidgety, so I tried hard to get them outside. I can't remember exact years but we did the police department, the fire department, and the public works garage to see the big trucks. Maple sugaring. Farm visits. Double A baseball games. I never had Lions b

Well said.

For me it's not so much what BSA should have done, it's that it even happened in the first place. BSA, like the Catholic Church, staked out a higher moral ground where participants expected everyone to be held to exemplary standards. Other youth organizations, like sports or 4-H, exhorted you to enroll your kids but they didn't bleat about religious values or character or morality. Ironically, that lack of moralizing may have protected them to some degree. The church and BSA did and then failed miserably in recognizing how predators would use that to cloak their actions. We were in the kid and

Paper airplane competitions

Hula hoops, marbles, and marble shooting games. Can keep them distanced and the marbles controlled with the hula hoops.

That was true 20 or 30 years ago but not now. People are generally just pretty depraved in the prison system. I have family who work in corrections and it is a different world today.

That's heartbreaking. I also did not tell my father certain things for similar reasons but thankfully those things that negatively affected me were not of that nature. I recently found out about a couple friends who were younger than me who were abused by an adult we knew and the guilt that I did not see it and help them is overwhelming. I wish such things had not happened to you or to them.

Even decades ago if I told my father someone had tried to mess with me they would have been picking up body parts in three counties. Yes times were different and there was a higher threshold for some things then than there is now but the basic human instinct to snap a child abuser's spine has not changed. Except today things being the way they are we send lawyers to snap them in half. I was not an adult in that time period when most of these cases were alleged to have occurred but I have a very hard time comprehending how it could have been so widespread yet so ignored at worst or so incompete