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Posts posted by Jameson76

  1. 11 hours ago, Eagle1993 said:

    They listed HA values here:



    Northern Tier - $6.6M

    Sea Base $16.7M

    Philmont $40.1M

    The Summit high adventure facility is in a separate legal entity, Arrow WV.  BSA has a note receivable due from Arrow.

    The note due from Summit is $345M

    So, total for HA bases = $408.4M out of total Assets of $1.01B


    Note due from Summit?  Is that indicating that Arrow WV basically borrowed money from BSA and that is "due" at some point as retired debt from operations and donations?

    Thus BSA is listing that "receivable" from Summit (Arrow WV) as the asset for the site?

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  2. 12 minutes ago, JoeBob said:

    I'm curious as to the relative value of the 4 HA bases. 

    Northern Tier is a medium sized outpost.  Not a lot of real estate.  BSA does not own the Boundary Waters.  (Sorry lawyers.)

    I can guess that Seabase would have about the same value as Northern Tier, for the same reasons.

    Bechtel, because of the mortgage , may be a negative.  Especially since BSA paid more than the land was actually worth.  

    But Philmont...  That is acreage.  Who wouldn't want to retire to the 'Tooth of Time' retirement community, where age really bites?

    It's in the annual report, but too lazy to look it up.  Way way down in the financials.  Philmont is the main cash value. 

    Summit only needs like 50,000 attendees annually to get out of the red

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  3. 14 minutes ago, Jackdaws said:

    I have also been curious to the profit margin on KK.    In our district there are 2 standing KK stores that do pretty good business so customers have the availability for fresh doughnuts if they get the vouchers. 

    Way Way back in the day we bought them for Fraternity fundraising.  We had to buy like 200 dozen, and we paid $1 per dozen and sold them for $2 per dozen.  Not sure we ever sold the entire 200 but we did sell about 175 or so, thus turning a pretty good profit

    Also if you leave the remainder in the chapter room for a couple of days they get hard and you can have an epic donut war....

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  4. Interesting take from Philmont on the Bankruptcy...pretty much - yep BSA filed Chapter 11, but we have meals to pack for summer treks (and I expect they sort of implied that The woods are lovely dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep,)


    Today the Boy Scouts of America filed Chapter 11 Bankruptcy (Learn more: www.BSARestructuring.org). At Philmont, we continue to prepare for 22,000 Scouts to hike our trails this summer. We are happy to report that our food packing team is hard at work packing more than 700,000 trail meals

  5. 32 minutes ago, HashTagScouts said:

    Assets: I would argue that as lovely and wonderful as.....Summit is are, they  it is are not essential for program delivery.  We made do without it them, and sooo few Scouts ever actually want to visit it them.  

    First - rarely hear Summit / Lovely / Wonderful all in the same sentence...😀

    That may be the one that BSA can kick to the curb and there will be little angst among the minions.  You pour $750,000,000 into a BSA National Vanity project, you sort of reap what you sow. 

    You lose Philmont, you've lost the legacy of 80 + years of multi-generational High Adventure.  That would be a gut punch to the organization

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  6. 6 minutes ago, desertrat77 said:

    the rallying cry that National issued last fall:  "Sell More Popcorn."

    So....if all the Scouts in all areas (1.8 million) sold like 4 billion dollars worth of popcorn, the profits would put the BSA in the black.  Each Scout just needs to sell (on average) about $2,500 worth of popcorn, and if all sold the $60 tins of chocolate covers popcorn that is really only 42 of these each.

    That's really only 67 million tins of chocolate covered popcorn....so LET'S GET SELLING 😁

  7. The optics are going to be the hard part.  The group that BSA needs to sell (and continue to sell) is the new families that traditionally join as Cubs.  Those of us in units that are functioning, this is sort of a non-event

    How do we (BSA as a whole) bring in new Scouts (Cubs / Scouts BSA / Etc) when the families not invested in the BSA see the Bankruptcy of the Boy Scouts and the driving reason for Chapter 11 is sex abuse cases.  That is going to be a hard sell....just saying

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  8. 1 hour ago, njdrt-rdr said:

    I gotta vent. I have to say that the decision by National to allow a girl troop and a boy troop have the same troop number in the same district is idiotic and then to preference with one is Troop 187 B and the other is Troop 187 G..... But, in my opinion I guess it won't matter in a couple years when all troops are co-ed anyway.

    And that (the co-ed) factor is the reason.  The endgame plan is co-ed.  That will be denied by National folks, but that is the plan.  With CO's running Boy and Girl units with the same number, the same number makes that so much easier.

  9. 12 hours ago, fred8033 said:
      • Re-partner with "Walgreens" or another vendor to sell scout shirts again.  ... I really think scout shirts and stuff in neighborhood stores was a big-time marketing tool.  My first exporsure to scouts was at the local five & dime with their four/five feet of scout stuff.  

    Now you are into National Supply which is another whole deal.  

    My council has generated a CSP for the summer camp.  I was at the office and went to the Scout store, but had to buy the CSP at the program desk.  Seems that (in our council) the large Scout Shop is not the council's deal, but is National Supply run.  The folks who work there are not part of the local council, but are National employees.  My assumption is that National Supply pays rent to the local council for the footprint.

    Now, when I realized this, I wondered what the overhead for this must be for National.  The footprint in my council is probably 2,000 SF.  Assuming 2 staff for 8 hours - 6 days per week and rent, just the overhead would be easily $150K annually.  Assuming a profit of 10% on sales, that would mean the store would need to generate $1,500,000 annually or $600 in sales per hour every hour the store is open (assuming 6 days per week and 8 hours per day) JUST TO COVER OVERHEAD.  Also I am likely under estimating overhead and over estimating profit.

    National Supply should have everything on-line.  With one DC you could greatly reduce inventory and have a higher fulfillment rate for scout uniforms ordered on-line.  The local council could have 100 SF of shelving for the patches and awards.  

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  10. 52 minutes ago, carebear3895 said:

    Larger councils that are able to fool unsuspecting people into take DA jobs.  Only council that I've met that used them is Northern Star in Minnesota. 

    Our council has Program Specialists - 11 of them, they seem to be the ones paid to be Scout Leaders from what I can gather.

    Also the council has these 10 folks on staff

    • Marketing Coordinator
    • Director of Outreach
    • Director of Development and Marketing
    • Development Director
    • Development Team Coordinator
    • Major Gifts Director
    • Senior Development Director
    • Development Assistant
    • Senior Marketing and Communications Executive
    • Development Executive

    Seems to be a lot of Development going on.....

    Of the (on the website) 74 staff noted only 20 have District Executive in the their title (27%).  There are many directors / ect - not sure what they all do

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  11. 34 minutes ago, mashmaster said:

    OK, so what happens if on a campout we need to take him for medical attention?  I am not trying to be dense, I just want to be sure I do the correct thing.

    I would presume parents would need to be guarantors for payment at any medical facility.  The hospital will likely not decline to treat, but they would be in contact with the parents on who is paying for the treatment.  Maybe have your medical form person (if you have one) or CC have that conversation with the parents on what process they may want you to follow.

    I do not think we have run into that one before

  12. 1 hour ago, TAHAWK said:

    We have had no districts for two years.  SE eliminate them, and hundreds of volunteers in the process.

    See...that eliminated the WHOLE data problem for the JTE scorecard and associated angst.  Brilliant problem solving there.  Next issue please?

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  13. To think that bankruptcy at the National level will have an impact at the local council level is somewhat naive.  They are separate financial entities.  The only main overlap(s) would be National Supply, the professional Scouts medical and pensions, and the overall liability insurance.  The remainder are in fact local.

    Camps, properties, and buildings are all owned by the local councils and in many cases run by their own fiefdoms.  How National Bankruptcy may impact the assignment of professionals from council to council I am not 100% sure.  They are credentialed BSA Executives, but paid by the local council.  

    Honestly I expect very little to change and sadly not much upside to a bankruptcy by National.  The press will be horrific, potential parents / families who are not familiar with BSA will assume that since BSA National is bankrupt ALL of BSA is gone under, let's go find other programs.

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  14. 1 hour ago, skeptic said:

    I have looked over the article twice and cannot find when this actually occurred.  Is it another rehash of already reported and hung out in the press, or is it something new?  I get the impression that it is a short movie up for Sundance consideration that once more brings up an old series of cases.  The time of publication, in conjunction with a film festival entry, is notable.  I keep waiting for similar stories to appear about stuff in schools, sports, and youth clubs.  


    The youth was 14 at the time and later in the article it stated he is now 37.  That would I suppose indicate 23 years ago or about 1997.  

    Reading the article it seems to be more damning of the LDS Church and less of the BSA.  Clearly alleges that the LDS Church and Elders actively covered up the issues.

  15. 19 minutes ago, mashmaster said:

    OK, question on this.   We are camping on a beach in the summer.  Has anyone built a hammock stand by making a pioneering project?  

    We have tried several homemade ones, but have not found one portable enough.  We did build one with some tripods, but the Scouts ask (and good question) "We used all this wood that was from these trees, why not just hook up to the trees like we always do?"

    There are several commercial ones

    Youtube has some really poor made videos.....


  16. 10 minutes ago, ianwilkins said:

    We went on an international trip a few years back which has passed into unit legend. We spent a couple of nights on a visit to an island and sleeping accomodation was a gym floor. There was about 300 of us. Explorer Scouts from Spain, UK, France, and a few other places, all aged 14-18, male and female, and their leaders. You know those pictures you see when there's a natural disaster and a bunch of people get evacuated to a local school? Yeah, just like that. UK rules are that leaders and young people have separate sleeping areas. That is not, apparently, the spanish way. Fun, looking back at it, but at the time...

    Careful....you will end up with a YPT time out imposed upon you

  17. Hammocks is the answer, hammocks.  Now I guess if Scouts groups together in hammock pods and they are more than 2 years apart the YPT zealots may raise an alarm.

    While we're at it, don't forget staying on museum ships.  You have Scouts of all ages bunking right beside each other and adults all in the same area.  Horrors

  18. The BSA is undergoing a period of extraordinary change right now. What are your thoughts on the overall direction of the Boy Scouts of America?

    When you think about it, the Boy Scouts didn’t change much during the early years of the movement. After World War II, a lot of things changed in America, but Scouting didn’t always adapt to those changes in the nation. When the organization’s growth plateaued and eventually began to decline, it still didn’t adapt. No business or organization can operate that way and watch its numbers continue to decline. That requires you to make some changes.


    Very revealing and interesting.  The plateaued growth and decline he speaks of (which was 1973 - 1980) was in fact a direct result of change within the organization, the "Improved Scouting Program".  Really like the way that BSA's own part of that is sort of glossed over and the decline placed into the changes in America bucket.

    Those who do not fully understand history are doomed to repeat it......

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