Eagle1993

I would expect the TCC and the future claims rep are not willing to bet on future payments from BSA. It seems like it would be best from all parties to arrive at a final number, write the check and move on. For future claims, my understanding is that there would be a bucket of money that would pay out for those claims not submitted by the bankruptcy filing deadline. I tend to agree with @David CO that parents and donors (and I expect COs) will want to have a hard line in the sand that future dues, fees, fundraising are all going 100% to the current youth activities and not past

I’ve been debating this in our Troop as well. I think masks for shorter outdoor gatherings are pretty easy requirement to comply with but I’m concerned about masks at summer camp within our site. We did it last year and wearing masks for 12 hours straight, day after day, in the hot/rainy conditions at camp was a bit much. We ended up strictly enforced masks outside our site and when cooking within the Patrol camp, but were lax outside those settings. We are still discussing how to handle this summer. In our town, 78% of eligible people have recipients their first dose, so I expe

This makes me angry. Are the BSA lawyers simply looking to suck the organization dry. The judge needs to do something more than sternly scolding everyone to work harder. BSA lawyers look to have completely ignore the judge’s comments. If BSA disappears, it might be partially due to her ineptitude.

METHODIST CHURCH 3,443 BAPTIST CHURCH 2,774 CATHOLIC CHURCH 2,280 LATTER‐DAY SAINTS 2,236 PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH 1,470 LUTHERAN CHURCH 1,198 EPISCOPAL CHURCH 503 These are the top 5 COs identified by # of claims. Now, I expect these numbers to grow and change a bit as many scouts probably do not even know the CO for their unit. As lawyers are able to obtain roster data from LCs, I expect CO impacts to clarify more. Note that there are individual churches listed throughout the CO list.

I think the judge has to rule on that; however, her last hearing she said the plan wasn't ready. Insurance companies just filed paperwork to delay the April 29 hearing ... it appears they are stating there must be at least 28 days for review, before a plan can be approved for a vote. Given the plan is not ready (per the judge) even now, there is no way April 29 hearing can proceed as previously stated. Note that even though the insurance companies & TCC are both stating the plan is garbage, my guess is that is likely all they agree on.

There is a lot in this document. I tried to highlight a few key areas I thought were interesting. https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/885873_2566.pdf It appears that the mediation last week was almost worthless. The TCC's analysis is showing the LC contribution is substantially lower than what they believe they can pay Almost no agreement on payments from any insurance companies Two major religious institutions have been part of the mediations, but have not offered anything as part of the mediation. Major decisions (estimation of dama

I'll do my best to explain what I have seen in this thread, so hopefully I don't misconstrue the message. The one thing I would say about @ThenNow is that it does seem that he cares about the BSA and sees the value of the program. He has mentioned how impressed he is by what he sees from many of the comments .... volunteers who spend much if not most of their free time working to provide children an experience that is unique and provides life long value. That said, he was sexually abused in the worst way by his Scoutmaster. No one within the BSA prevented it or took action (as far as he ca

If the goal is 0 Covid, we will never do anything. I don't think that should be the goal. The goal should be to ensure our healthcare system is not overrun and that we don't see massive death. If we follow "science" we know that the vaccines are highly effective and are effective vs the variants. A surge and massive death is not going to happen regardless of what we do this summer (based on everything known today). Ramp up vaccines and work on expanding testing to find hot spots ... otherwise we should be reopening. By this summer, I expect every adult who is at any sort of risk has

Nearly all of the ideas I can think of is at a higher level (in terms of reporting, etc.). If a unit strictly follows today's YP, I cannot think of any real changes that wouldn't simply kill most youth organizations. @qwazse brought up interesting points but I'm not sure how we could change unit level YP policies to address it.

I was hoping this one can be specific on specific recommendations that could improve safety. Those others were more about society. I'm really curious, in today's (and tomorrow's) society what changes can we make to improve safety. There will be specific changes as part of the Chapter 11 settlement. If we are to have scouting, we need scouting to work safely in the society we have today. What does that look like?

To me, all of these should be reported. Reporting shouldn't be reserved for actual crimes, it should be any violation. In EHS, we are expected to report "near misses". Those are then used to improve training & processes. The written communications is a great one. So many times, I receive an email from a scout directly to me with no one on the CC. I immediately respond to that scout + parent + leader and remind them to never email me without an adult. We use Troop Track as it automatically includes parents on all emails (so this only happens when they email me from their personal

I think in terms of the bankruptcy settlement, a long lasting legacy that is appropriate given the large number of victims, is for the insurance companies involved to agree to fund an independent agency like the IIHS but for youth protection. This could improve safety not only at BSA but all youth serving organizations. (Note: if you would want to discuss what BSA can do to improve youth protection, that could be in the linked topic above.)

I just started a new topic about ideas to improve safety. To me, outside of the camp property loss, is the other major outcome to expect from the bankruptcy.

Ok .. .that Chapter 11 topic drifts a lot, so I thought one area I struggle with is how we can actually reduce abuse in BSA (and youth organizations). I went to websites of BSA, GSUSA, Trail LIfe, 4H, Boys and Girls Club, AYSO and the BSA is the ONLY organization that talks about Youth Protection on their main page. I volunteer for sports teams, GSUSA and BSA ... BSA is the only one that required me to sit through 2 hours of training. These are not complaints, they are just brief comparisons as I am attempting to see what is out there that BSA is not doing. My one thought

Your post stated "Youth Protection Training protocols used today were enacted" which is what I quoted. I did not re-word a post. We use different protocols today than in 1990. If you stated "when no one on one youth and adult contact started" I would agree. Youth Protection Training protocols are far beyond no one on one contact and two deep leadership. For instance, BSA only recently decided that 18 year olds are not considered adults in terms of Youth Protection Training.

This is incorrect. The training used today is new (~3 years old). Yes, that was when 2 deep leadership and no one on one contact started but BSA has been making various updates since. There was also changes to the background check process recently. This has been an evolving area for BSA and most youth organizations. Claiming there was a hard line in 1990 and no changes since is false.

I honestly don’t think that will be the trade off anymore. I used to think giving up an HA base may save a local council camp... but I doubt that is true. If BSA can prove it’s a restricted asset they should keep it. If it isn’t restricted then it should go to the trust.

Its disappointing that they are not more specific. What is missing in today's YPT and B2A. I have various sport and Girl Scout leaders who have taken BSA's YPT and are impressed. I'm sure there are improvements, I just haven't heard anything significant that says the whole organization should be destroyed and today's youth should not have access to any High Adventure camp or scout camp. Perhaps some of these individuals should talk with the hundreds of thousands of scouts that will be robbed of this opportunity. So, is she promoting Trail Life? Is that what she and Kosnoff want? D

https://thecirclenews.org/environment/the-boy-scouts-land-grabs-sexual-abuse-and-bankruptcy/ Native American News and Arts article ... a bit of everything ... but a big point that if Boy Scout Camps that were native lands have to be sold, they should be given back to Native people. Example camp listed above.

To me, that is why the BSA should be open book and show how much each council will contribute. If the low/no contributions are all coming from councils that are at low risk, perhaps that is acceptable. Or, perhaps, those councils are left out of the settlement. That way, the TCC is not removing future claims from councils with no payment in return. I'm not sure if that is an option, but I think you hit the real issue in this case which may be why a settlement is extremely difficult if it includes protection for all councils.

To be clear to all ... the Milwaukee Archdiocese was appealing. They won the lower court ruling but then lost on appeal. The courts ruled the transfer was illegal. They appealed to the Supreme Court and likely realized they would lose so they settled. We will likely see an example of this with Summit. Is Arrow WV a separate organization or is it really a shell organization fully operated by the BSA. TCC appears to be preparing to file lawsuit against JP Morgan about Arrow WV. That may be the test case of all of the council property ones that exist.

When did you quit? I'm talking now, not 2014 and prior. I would agree that during Dale it probably got rough. My ASM was clear when we discussed this recently .. it helps. He has talked with Harvard, Yale interviewers ... it helps. Notre Dame ... helps. We have had Eagle Scouts do well at Ivy through mid tier colleges. We have examples. That said, it won't help if you can't answer questions. He has said it show perseverance and achievement of a goal. I think parents make the mistake thinking their son/daughter just needs to get Eagle Scout on the resume and they're golden.

I tend to agree. The only value I see is that the trademark owner could charge BSA a fee to keep using Eagle Scout rank going forward. BSA knows Eagle Scout pulls in some recruits. Perhaps its paid by charging a fee when submitting an Eagle Scout application. Every ES app is charged $50 which goes to the trademark owner. That could be a $1M per year annuity. You might be able to get something assuming BSA survives and there is a 20 year agreement to use Eagle Scout as the top rank. Assuming a 5% rate of return and $1M of annual payment going forward and a 20 year agreement, the Ea

If a camp is sold and its used for camping or conservation, it makes bitter pills easier to swallow. I've seen a camp sold and all the trees cut for a lumber company. Yes, I know it has to come from somewhere, but there is nothing more sad then seeing a former scout camp clear cut.

I have a ASM who interviews for a top 10 school and talks with the interviewers from Harvard, Yale, etc. Eagle Scout is a BENEFIT. He is nudging his sons to get there as well. It can vary how much of a benefit based on the interviewer, but it is a benefit. Yes ... BSA organization was not looked on well by higher education when it excluded gay scouts, but for the most part that didn't tarnish the Eagle Scout rank. Internally we may question age or rigor but externally that is not questioned nearly as much as we may think. Trying to get this back to bankruptcy a bit ... it is a v