Eagle1993

My local camp! I’m sick

Very interesting document. https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/881153_2391.pdf From what I understand, the claimants are asking the court to estimate their total damages (bottoms up) year by year. So, for example, if an average sex abuse claim should be paid off by $500K and there are 84,000 claims the total amount would be $42B. Then, that would be broken into year by year. Then they can figure out what National, LC, CO and their insurance companies could pay to hit the $42B. (Not necessarily $42B, but you get the idea). Don't forget, the insurance is comp

IMHO, the ONLY way a settlement is reached is if there is trust from the TCC and the claimants that the offer represents a significant portion of local council available assets. The only way the BSA LCs can establish this trust is through transparency. Without transparency, I see no way the TCC recommends approval EVER. Without their approval, there will never be a settlement that includes LCs.

I think it varies by individual. We have a coed girl Troop that works alongside our Boy Troop. 1 - Quiet, very quiet. Parents pushing her to get Eagle quickly. Currently star rank and will likely earn Eagle with no PL, ASPL or SPL experience. 2 - Loud, physical. Plays sports. Been to the BWCA every summer of her life since 3. No desire for leadership roles so far. Going to Philmont. Does have some push for Eagle as her older brother just missed out, but primary focus has not been advancement. 3- Somewhat quiet, balanced between advancement and hiking activities. Covid

I think this is a better argument for single gender. The strong male leaders will do fine when competing against the girls. The truth ... they want the girl membership fees without losing any boy membership fees. So .... they are attempting to create a solution that simply doesn't work.

BSA needs to separate the bumps, bruises from the serious injuries, death or life long psychological scarring. Laser tag, dodge ball, cordless screw drivers, etc. .... I highly doubt these result in significant injuries. I've seen worse injuries in my Troop from a stick and a pot of boiling water. Equating water guns, paint ball and laser tag to actual guns is weak. I think we can teach gun safety with a .22 riffle while allowing kids to use water guns on a hot day. (Side note ... my mother in law forbid play guns in her house. Her son is now probably the biggest pro NRA gu

My guess ... deferred. TCC gave the BSA until July? before they push for lawsuits against LCs. In return, councils must provide details on membership roles, summer camps, units, etc. TCC can then use this data (and time) to help clean up the claims list. I wonder if TCC self audits (as they already seemed to have) and identifies possible issues with some claims. I don't see the judge allowing discovery during that process. She may just say, lets see where that list is at in August and see if discovery is warranted. Too many moving parts otherwise. Just a guess....

Hearing scheduled tomorrow. Does anyone know what will be covered? Any "BIG" decisions or are those coming in the April hearing?

I believe the Wall Street Journal & NY TImes have done similar stories. https://www.wsj.com/articles/boy-scouts-bankruptcy-roiled-by-suspicions-about-asset-transfers-11594325864 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/19/us/boy-scouts-bankruptcy-assets.html

Then it shouldn't be in the Youth Protection FAQ.

It was ... probably 50+ pages back. It really goes to the heart of the issue. Lack of transparency and trust. BSA's #1 goal should be building the trust of the TCC & court through full transparency. Unfortunately, National BSA has issues with transparency & trust so I expect we are headed to a cliff.

I can find a few that would disagree with this statement. I've been in coed activities in high school and college. I was elected president of NHS in High School. I was president of my engineering honor society in college. In my company, I've passed up many of my female colleagues for promotions. There were girls/women in all of these organizations. I have never feared competing with girls/women for leadership roles and have managed and reported to women. I've fired women and hired women. If boys are to compete in the world, they need to learn this. The workplace does not look lik

Currently BSA would say my son having his best friend come over (who is a scout) when two parents are not home is a violation of Youth Protection. I'm sure that has happened (his friend has been over and my wife went out on errands when I was home). So ... I guess I violated YP and should have reported it. The BSA has expanded YP/Barriers to abuse so broadly, most Troops/Packs/Adult Leaders likely run afoul. To me, that waters down the YP/B2A and we run into actual risks. In terms of girls, nearly every girl Troop in my area operates as coed including the one my Troop is associated w

The issue is they put this under YPT. A scout BSA youth is at least 10 but likely older. If they said Cub Scout I wouldn’t have an issue or if they out this FAQ under program that would be fine. This is a YPT FAQ.

Who is the COR in this case?

Our unit went from public school to PTO to friends of to fraternal organization over the last 20 years due to various concerns. The school prevents us from recruiting (they even took our yard signs from a public right of way and threw them out). I expect the fraternal order will end the CO soon (once their leadership evaluates the risk vs return). What is left? We have no organization that will be willing to sign even a "we provide meeting space" document? BSA better be ready with an option of no CO charters ....

Why is this youth protection? They are mixing up "integrity of program" with "youth protection". So if a Scoutmaster brings his Scouts BSA daughter to a Boy Scouts BSA Troop meeting, then that is a YPT violation? OA election ... so how does a girl Troop hold an OA election if there is no girl youth in OA? A boy cannot go to their meeting? So no youth OA can be present at a Girl Troop meeting election until there is a girl in OA and then she will be the only one allowed at future Girl Troop elections? No coed buddies .. fine, file that under YPT. The other half of this is crazy t

I would love to see the requirements. If they are reading our comments, I would highly recommend not making it Eagle required out of the gate. Release it and let MBCs and Scouts ramp up. Adjust requirements after a few years. If it really adds value, then make it required (but I would ask to relook at ALL required MBs before you do that). I'll hold off judgement on the actual requirements until I see them. I do have a lot of questions. If you allow too much flexibility, would you allow someone like my Uncle be a MBC who believes blacks should not marry whites? Would the badge be po

There are some that read it. This site has been mentioned in the past by Surbaugh (not in a positive light). I believe Richard Bourlon reviews content and he has responded to various topics. While many on the site may not agree with all of his responses, I think its great that he pops in from time to time. I would welcome other National leaders. I'm not sure if anyone involved in the DE&I MB look at this site, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did. They should look at scouter.com and the FaceBook page comments from scouters. That doesn't mean they should be paralyzed by the co

The real best way is to look at those 11,000 - 13,000 claims and see where a policy difference could have prevented the issue. Essentially, find common root causes and see if any are systemic then look at possible policy changes. I think I have speculated that perhaps greater oversight to ensure COs are doing their job ... but I don't know if that is a systemic root cause of the abuse that is currently occurring. Perhaps it is more transparency to share with the volunteers incidents and how to avoid them. I expect there are some changes that could come in that would not negatively impa

Agreed. I do think there is a chance that the non monetary changes could have negative consequences. They only real way to avoid one on one is adults must be with an adult buddy at all times. Im not advocating for this, just indicating some possible non monetary impacts of bankruptcy.

This is pretty funny ... sad ... but funny. Dark humor my friend...

This is what I see happening; however, National has been clear. If this takes until fall they will go into liquidation. If they are being honest (I don’t think they are) and I expect 0% chance the bankruptcy is done by fall, Eagle Scout rank will no longer be owned by BSA. It will be sold along with all National assets. Perhaps during liquidation the GSUSA will be given Eagle Scout trademark as part of the settlement. Who knows. I expect the most likely outcome is a 3 - 4 year settlement battle. Cases may spin off about HA camps, LC individual assets/camps. CO property and assets. N

My council also does not have a summer camp. They should, but saved Cub Scout camps and sold off their summer camp.

I question that in this case. If the claimants continue to vote against the offer they can essentially force the BSA to part with core assets. They only way out is the judge enforcing a cram down but when has that every happened with a sexual abuse bankruptcy?