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  1. I just wanted to be clear so that DuctTape wouldn't think I was offering to work towards the goal of "scouts doing it themselves" with his QM. I have enough on my plate, I don't want any more commitments.
  2. Yes, I agree. I'm hoping that with my newest group of QMs, I can start working towards that process.
  3. I'm the Equipment Coordinator for my troop and I can tell you that we handle things in a variety of ways depending on the item. For most equipment, I wait for the SM to tell me there is a need, then I go find whatever the need is at the lowest possible price. If I happen to see something we could really use, but maybe don't absolutely need, I'll send a quick email to the SM, CC and Treasurer to see if anyone wants to veto and if not, I'll buy it. If I happen across a fantastic "till the end of the day" price, I'd probably just buy it on my own "authority" and hope no one pitches a fit.
  4. Ugh, that stinks. I think that the CC keeping his nose out of the day-to-day operations of the troop would probably have been one of my conditions for accepting the role. My son just got elected SPL and I've been regularly reminding him that "it's his troop" for the next 6 months and if he needs all the adults to leave the room so they can get things done, (whether it's PLC or troop meeting) he's got every right to request that they leave.
  5. There's nothing I've ever seen about "2 Deep Leadership" that specifies a physical adult presence actually with every gathering of scouts. The adults merely need to be present "at the activity" so that they can be reached to deal with emergencies. I realize there have been opinions (Bryan on Scouting for example) given that indicate that scouts should actually be accompanied by adults, but that's not what the GSS specifically says. So if you are at a meeting of any sort, two adults need to be on the premises to respond to emergencies, they don't need to be in the actual presence of the
  6. Well, I think the organization could survive if it's not somehow toppled by public perception. The biggest issue the BSA faces right now on the perception standpoint is that the attorneys for the accusers are doing everything they can to make it appear that the BSA acted similarly to the Catholic Church in actively hiding and protecting abusers. And unfortunately, with the advent of the #Metoo movement, BSA can barely even argue to defend itself because those arguments are immediately called "gas-lighting" or "re-writing the past" or "blaming the victim". The public outlook on the situa
  7. If you are ordering 100+ shirts, you can get printing done at around $5. But as someone said, you're going to get some seriously cheap shirts at that price. $2 more per shirt ups the quality significantly. But I'll add that ClassB.com isn't necessarily cheaper than your local printing company. I know that I've priced out at least one local company around me that was cheaper than ClassB by almost $2 on the shirts we bought and that was if we only bought 15 shirts. If we'd been ready to order 50 or more the savings went up to almost $3 per shirt.
  8. I know that once upon a time the nature preservationist theory was "keep the human impact contained to one space that just gets destroyed and leave the rest untouched". I guess the ones in scouting organizations haven't figured out that the new theory is "spread everyone out thinly so the impact is light enough that nothing gets destroyed".
  9. I wasn't trying to say that you or your kids are lying or that people buying it are being lied to. I was only saying that calling it a "product sale" really isn't accurate anymore (it was once) and that it's ironic for an organization with written rules mandating that troop fundraisers must sell products in line with their value to exempt itself from it's own rules. (I'm also not arguing that they don't have the right to exempt themselves from their own rule) That's why when National Public Radio does it's seasonal fundraiser it doesn't talk about how people can "Call now to purchase th
  10. One of the issues that will be relevant is the payment of property taxes. If the property isn't held for exempt purposes, the annual taxes will have to come out of someone's pocket. It would probably be worth speaking with a tax lawyer to figure out how to get around that part, then decide where to go from there.
  11. Let me re-write that for you more accurately. Our Pack of 38 Cubs will sell $65k in popcorn solicit $65,000 in donations. My son is on pace to sell $8k in popcorn collect $8,000 in donations, and will barely crack top 10 in our council of 60,000 scouts. Do people reach those levels selling meat sticks? _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The core of the problem people have with popcorn is that calling it a "product sale" is so disingenuous it's pra
  12. If you have no access to ANY water, I'd plan on 1 gallon per person per day just for drinking. So for 2 nights, I'd go with 1.5 gallons per person. Plus another 4-5 gallons at least for cooking and washing. But if you have some access to water, it's just not potable, then you don't need to bring nearly as much water because you can boil much of what you'd need.
  13. I mean, I get that it's not inconceivable, but I've never even heard of a boy's camp-out where there wasn't at least one person who was a parent of a scout. And while I suppose that might possibly mean someone in their mid-twenties if they knocked someone up at 15-16, in most cases that's going to be at least someone in their 30s. Anywhere around me, the average parent of an 11+ year old would be closer to 40 than to 30. So while I don't necessarily object to your concern conceptually, is it really a potentiality that we should be creating rules around? Plus, I know for a fact there ar
  14. We make a half-hearted attempt at popcorn, but most of the funds just get credited to the scouts. We sell Christmas wreaths for our primary fundraiser for troop money. We are still building this fundraiser up, but we sold 450 last year with a $6 profit on each one. My former Cub pack sells about 1100 per year. The really nice thing about them is that they are priced at slightly under what they cost at the store so the only issue is catching people before they buy one somewhere else. If a council person ever actually demanded or even requested a portion of those sale funds within m
  15. I'm not sure why those even exist. Unless there are people who like to dip them in frosting or something. Gah!! We had a similar offense committed in our troop at the last camp-out. The scouts planned "Oatmeal" (which usually tends to be Apples n Cinnamon, Maple & Brown Sugar, Cinnamon & spice) but the food buyer showed up with a couple boxes of the "Peaches/Strawberries/Blueberries n Cream". Most of the boys ended up eating either Ramen or just fruit.
  16. If having bread-sticks on the tables as decorations is enough potential gluten to require avoiding the table, wouldn't just eating things that came out of the same kitchen pose the same risk? I mean, I've worked around kitchens before, and even when the staff are making an effort to avoid cross contamination, the best you are going to get is a quick brushing off of the surface before they start pulling the next food item out of its container and the likelihood of the staff washing their hands between handling the gluten rich and gluten free items isn't going to be anywhere near 100%. Even if
  17. If you attache the 4 diamond awards with a basting stitch, it won't leave any marks. On the off chance that a few of the holes don't seem to want to close on their own, if you scrub the stitch lines with stiff bristle tooth or laundry brush, it'll push the fibers back into shape. I've resewn patches onto the same shirt many times that way. The only time you really end up with a problem is when you use a very tight stitch to apply the patches. P.S. When you get to the point of applying "Position of Responsibilty" patches on the shoulder, I strongly suggest just sewing a 2"x
  18. Personally, I hate seeing these on camp-outs and tell the parents not to even buy them for the scouts. Invariably what happens with these is the kids use them for short term comfortable hands rather than actually dressing appropriately for the weather. They don't put them inside gloves or shoes or pockets, they just sit there or walk around holding them and refusing to do anything else because "my hands are cold so I have to keep holding these little packs". And so of course after 30-45 minutes when they are no longer warm enough to keep hands warm outside of an enclosed space, they open a
  19. This is actually something that usually gets reported on grant applications and donation solicitations so it's pretty common in charitable institutions.
  20. This is one of my personal irritations with the way they run these programs. If you ask the Council popcorn reps how we are supposed to sell popcorn that is priced at 4-6 times retail value for the product, they'll say something like "You don't try and sell them popcorn, you sell them the program and ask them to help support the program by buying popcorn". But at the same time, scouts are forbidden to solicit donations directly. So... it's against the rules to overtly solicit a donation, but tacitly soliciting donations via popcorn is just fine.
  21. Oh, I agree that the various "email exchanges" are certainly at least on sketchy legal ground when it comes to the "Open Meetings" act. Most of the places I've worked that do a "Committee of the whole" or "Executive Committee" skate around the laws by publishing that meeting as well, but what they'll do is put out a notice that reads like: ______________________________________________________________________________________ City of Awesome Council meeting at 7pm on 1/2/19 in Council chambers Agenda includes: Formal hearing on Ordinance XYZ, Monthly bills and ex
  22. Unfortunately, a quite common practice with lots of boards is to have a "Committee of the Whole" or "Executive Committee" type meeting ahead of a contentious issue where they actually do most of the discussing and arguing between actual board members. Or it will happen via email and phone calls. Then at the formal meeting "for the consideration of" you'll get any comment someone wants to be officially part of the record stated, but other than that they stay fairly quiet. What you DO get at meetings like that is a "Public Comment" section where the opposing sides of an issue have a few m
  23. I wouldn't accept a HOA meeting, but I would accept a meeting of a public "Neighborhood Association". I also just told someone no last week when asked about going to a Religious discussion/debate meeting at their church. When scouts come to me with complaints about getting to a City Council or School Board meeting, I usually suggest they look for Zoning Board meetings for variances or Planning Board meetings. Those are often contentious enough to get the "several points of view".
  24. I won't argue that in some places it's considered "Child Abuse", though it isn't everywhere. (I didn't go through every state, but the federal law makes no mention of it) Though I think this is another one of those circumstances where people are expanding terms past the point where there is a useful connection. The whole point of "child abuse" laws was to seriously criminalize patterns of behavior where a single instance might not be criminal as well as to make clear the fact that child abusers are not "one-off offenders" because the factors that lead to child abuse are personality based, no
  25. Well, I agree in the sense that wearing a uniform shouldn't be considered "pass/fail" and in general I'd never seriously criticize anyone for failing to wear a complete uniform. But when it comes to "being in full uniform" I don't think you can consider that to be anything less than 100% (except perhaps minus the socks if someone is wearing pants). However, the only times I've ever been absolutely insistent about being in "full uniform" was for anyone going to serve as "Governor's Honor Guard" at Mackinac Island (Michigan) or something similarly formal and public where we are representing th
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