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Everything posted by elitts

  1. Perhaps, but as I've mentioned before, the Catholic Church settlements are just not a reasonable comparison for the issue with the BSA. Other than the type of assaults on children being the same, there are orders of magnitude in difference between what the Church did and what the BSA did; so thinking the results would be similar just doesn't seem realistic. While I can't say I'm an expert in trial law involving liability insurance, it most cases I've ever heard of, the liability of the insured doesn't start until after the damages exceed the policy limits.
  2. That's not what the information says; it doesn't address the amount per person of the awards, it only addresses the amount being proposed as a contribution from the BSA and Councils. The lion's share of the payouts was always going to come from the insurance companies and that hasn't changed.
  3. Well, no. The average contribution from the BSA and the Councils was calculated at about $6000 per victim. The actual payouts would include funds from the insurance companies that would increase that amount drastically.
  4. To be honest, I'm surprised the number of Cub Scouts retained was that high. SO many of the packs in my area just kind of suspended operations till Covid is done. I think most of them will come back, but I'm sure they'll be at reduced numbers.
  5. I think the issue of "this could be libel" is much more of an explanation that supporters have tossed out there after the fact. The one recurring explanation I've seen from people involved all those years ago, and the one I find somewhat compelling is: "Who are we to instigate a police investigation into something when the victim (or their family) don't want the police involved?" Now, the view of this issue has changed over time with there being a view today that the victims right to anonymity is outweighed by the importance of getting a predator off the streets, but I still don't think
  6. The frequency with which this problem crops up across a system as widespread as the BSA is in the US makes me think it must be rooted in a systemic failure somewhere. Either because the established processing requirements are inexplicably complicated or because the BSA has failed to grasp the fundamental truth that basic competence in recordkeeping is an important reflection on an organization.
  7. I don't think any rational person would find the situation with the Catholic Church as being anywhere close to the situation with the BSA. Catholic Church: Knew for decades that priests were raping kids, actively covered up the incidents, then moved the priests to new communities and put them right back in a position to rape more kids. BSA: Knew that pedophiles were attempting to gain access to children through the program and created a system to eject and keep out pedophiles once they were identified. Functionally, these are completely different situations, and so reasonably
  8. Since he has been quite public in his desire to see the BSA ended completely, I have to think it's going to count against him with a bankruptcy court judge. The accepted motivation for a Bankruptcy case creditor is "How do I think I'll get the most money". If his "I want to crush this organization out of existence" desire starts to be obviously in conflict with what everyone else thinks will net the most money for the other debtors, his influence should wane considerably. At least, that's what logic would dictate; but obviously the amount of logic being utilized varies with the judge.
  9. Tetanus is generally considered a "bad one" for immediate side effects. I just got a booster about a year ago and for about 2-3 days afterwards my arm felt like somebody had smashed me with a baseball bat and I had a low grade fever. Fortunately none of my flu or pneumonia vaccines ever did that.
  10. That project would have been quickly rejected around here. Digging 6 holes and leveling a bench as someone fills the hole back in would NOT provide sufficient opportunity to "Demonstrate Leadership". Even if they dug the holes manually (which I doubt they did) that's only about 2-3 hours of work for 3 people. I'm sure there was more time involved on the planning end, but still.
  11. This might not be quite as bad as you'd imagine. Insurance companies are well experienced with drilling through emotional reactions and public sentiment and just dealing with the data. So once the bankruptcy is through, if the only risk "BSA 2.0" or the COs would face is from future problems, they are likely to just look at the current YP processes and price based upon the actual ongoing risk rather than outright refusing to offer insurance out of fear. The one real "X factor" will be concern over stupid legislators passing more stupid laws like the states that removed the time limits on fi
  12. That's not how bankruptcy works. When a bankruptcy is final, that entity is essentially dead and it's replaced by a new entity of the same name but with no liability for anything that happened before the bankruptcy. So even if other states remove the time limits on suits, they would have no recourse against the post-bankruptcy BSA. (the Councils might be a different matter) The only way I've ever heard of to get money out of a post-bankruptcy entity is to argue that they did something fraudulent during the processing of their bankruptcy that means the bankruptcy proceedings should be re
  13. My parents are still close friends with 3 or 4 of the adults who were my Scoutmaster and ASMs as a kid. I'm in my 40s now and I still have to make a conscious effort to address them as anything other than Mr. XXX when I run into them at my parent's functions. In fact, I sometimes find myself just doing the "Catch his eye and start talking" trick to avoid having to use their names.
  14. Well, I only meant a "valid" number, not necessarily an "un-expired" number. And mostly just so that you need to be registered to be an MBC. I wouldn't suggest actually trying to match up registration dates with MBC signature dates and all of that. The only things I'd throw out would be people who put down 8675309 or 3141592 or something.
  15. What WOULD stop that, would be a requirement that a MBC include a valid BSA registration number along with their signature on a blue card in order for it to be effective.
  16. I suppose it depends on the proposal and the scout sometimes. I've sat on a few project review boards where I'm sure the scout thought we were being unfair and mean. Every once and a while you get a scout that has a proposal SO rough that there's just no help possible besides a little "hard truth" and the suggestion to come back again after a little more thinking goes into it. I usually try and handle situations like that with questions that point out all the areas the scout hasn't even considered. Most of the time they just say "Can I just go think about that and come back later tonight?"
  17. Not necessarily. Personally, I favor using a fairly strict application of definitions because I think maintaining gradations is important for understanding problems. Neighborhood red-lining against minorities and 25% down-payment requirements for mortgages will both have the effect of keeping minorities out of suburban neighborhoods, but one policy is based upon racism and the other is de facto discrimination from lack of forethought. The distinction is important because the approaches to solving the problems are completely different. However, I can understand why the perspective of a
  18. Well, I have to preface my point by saying I despise the overuse of the term "racism" as it is often used incorrectly simply to make someone's argument sound more important/persuasive/dramatic. (and I'm not pinning that on InquisitiveScouter) A more appropriate phrase for what is actually being discussed is "Systemic Discrimination or Bias". That said, while there are certainly people who believe the systemic racism in our society was built in on purpose, "intent" isn't actually a necessary component for an overall system to be considered discriminatory. Take for example; states where t
  19. I really don't think you can use the raw numbers from 2020 to evaluate the effectiveness of the decision to admit girls. COVID and the LDS exit are massively significant variables that ended up getting thrown in this year. And I don't think there's much argument about the idea that the LDS were on their way out regardless of the decision to admit girls since the BSA decided to stop discriminating against homosexual folks. Uh, they are almost all either 18 already or very close to it, so I'm going to take a wild guess that the number who will remain with the program will be qu
  20. I would just like to see the clothing be cut appropriately for real people. The last 10-20 years at least whoever is designing these things has done a terrible job of outfitting anyone outside the "not-so-standard" bean-pole body shape. My son wasn't able to fit into the right size youth scout pants after age 9 because he actually had leg muscles and couldn't get the pants up past his thighs. And clearly the designers took the approach of just using a straight percentage size increase for adult sizes over large resulting in shirts for overweight people that made them look like flying squirr
  21. LOL! That's a man after my own heart. When my Cub Pack got the "Cough with a hand out" over our wreath fundraiser (we didn't sell popcorn) I proposed talking to our local council camp director and asking for a wish list we could dump $1500 on rather than giving it to council. I pretty much had my committee convinced too, except then I couldn't get the Camp director to actually respond to me (I tried for a couple months too) so the check got sent to council instead.
  22. Well... maybe not "free". The problem with "free" is that people tend to automatically infer that if something is free it is of little value. So you get lots of "maybe" signups because you aren't out anything if you just don't show up and people who show up, but only to check a box while they surf on their phone the whole time. A very minimal $5-$10 fee (that can be waived upon written request) does a lot to eliminate those sorts of issues. IMO, almost nothing should ever actually be totally free outside of emergency services.
  23. Try taking some scrap 2x4s and gluing them together "butcher block" style to about 24" wide then cut them to 24"-30" long. Then glue one 2x4 flat against the length of the back and extend it down about 3'-4'. Then drill a hole through the top of the 2x4 backing strip and attach a 2x2 on each side of the 2x4 using a threaded bolt to make it stand like a tripod.
  24. Is that a local council rule or from your CO? That's just nutty.
  25. Lets just be clear here, for the most part, the scouters who are taking kids out into the woods are parents. It's not like there are there is this large cohort of unmarried childless people serving as scout leaders who are trying to keep the annoying parents away. When you see scouters (like me) on here talking about getting rid of the parents on camp-outs all they are really saying is "We don't want people uninformed about the program interfering with the program". After all, the only difference between a parent and a scouter is training and a piece of paper sent in with a registration fee
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