Eagle94-A1

One of the 11 year olds in my troop has more backpacking miles on his feet than I do. He's done several sections of the AT with his dad. He was the Scout that did the backpacking instruction a few weeks back. In fact dad said Boy Scouts is cramping his camping with all the plop camping we do. He's talking about him and his son doing the Philmont prep trips.

OUTSTANDING!

I have to agree, many adults don't think the kids can handle it. And they are dead wrong

Heck I'm just as guilty since I didn't think my son had what it takes to be SPL when he was elected. Surprised the hack outta everyone at the job he did. Does he have room for improvement, yes indeed. But he did a great job

Yeah i've been in a district that said no, it's been a while though. And i admit, I've been projecting my district's situation too: not enough folks to help on the district level and we will take anyone.

I'm going to quote the second Doctor,aka the Hobo, ''I see you've made some changes. I don't like them.''

BW,

In Calico's defense, he's in the same school I'm in: see a problem work to solve it. Challenge is that sometimes there are too many problems and not enough folks.

Also another thing to consider, some units are smooth running ships with an abundance of leaders who can help out on the district . Other units, are barely surviving. My son's troop is growing, but we are having growing pains.

I ditto what Chisnos said. While they are suppose to work on one badge at a time like Huey said, because we are transitioning from one program to the other, adapt, improvise, and overcome. We are going to make mistakes implementing this new program.

While I'm not the training chair,  I do help with training. Especially since the current chair has 0 Boy Scout leader expereince, but is cathcing on pretty fast. since he is a troop committee member now.

And I think that's part of the problem in my neck of the woods, you have the same people doing multiple jobs and we are burning out, becoming jaded, etc.

Take the training chair, CM, troop MC, and training chair.  I'm an pack MC, ASM, CSRT commissioner, and district at large, doing CS program stuff and helping with training since I was the former training chair until Cubs took up a large part of the time. I try to focus on conducting basic training and program, than the multitude of additional training like Trainers' E.D.G.E, because it is stuff I know and done and do not see the value of it when there are new leaders who need to be trained, and programming events that need to be done.

Now I do admit I'm stepping back from a lot of my Scouting responsibilities for the next 3-4 months, but that's under doctor's orders. Shoulder surgery sucks.

 Maybe the problem is we put too much emphasis on boy-led and patrol method. 

Actually i think the societal norm of "they are children until 26 years of age" and the rise of helicopter parents is the reason WHY we need to emphasize the patrol method. I'm tired of dealing with High schoolers parents, and especially the college students' parents, trying todo things for their "children" when they "child" is perfectly capable of doing it themselves.

I think part of the negativity towards redoing training is time. I'm involved with 2 units, plus the district in 2 different capacities.I average 2 meeting per week, plus 1.5 weekend activities per month. That doesn't include round ups and service projects. And that's just Scouts.

When folks do not have a lot of time, they will prioritize their activities. Doing training that you've already done and use is on the lower end of priorities.

As for "repetitive ed" Yes the nmedical field does require folks to get recertified in certain areas every year to two years. But as we will see next year, things like First Aid and CPR do change periodically. Hence the need.  Also some of the better training programs will kick it up a notch with recertifcations, i.e giving different scenarioes.

Traditionally. RT is where updates, changes to program, etc are announced. That's why I mentioned it as a resource for trained leaders to get updates instead of making them go through training all over again.

Forgot to add that Roundtable is where the updated info should be given out

With the exception of CS leader training, and that is only because of the new program, everthing taught today was taught back in the day. Actually I would say back in the day was better because there was more emphasis on the patrol method. Today's SM Specific and ITOLS was a single course with an added component, the model troop meeting.

When I did mine, it was an all day Saturday session, one weeknite troop meeting session, and a 3 day two nite camping session. It was not broken down like today. You had to attend all three sessions because you were put into a patrol for the entire time.

As for folks retaking training they already have, I'm against it. I do not like wasting people's time. Either they are doing it right, or you will be wasting your time trying to help.

In regards to WBers doing SM Specific, gotta remember that CS and Venturing leaders take the same course now. IMHO you really need someone with SM or ASM experience to teach it.

On a slightly different note, IF all the old training codes didn't transfer over, I' glad Idon't have to tell our former district commish he is ''untrained'' again. Not fun telling PTC Faculty they are untrained:-)

Well most scouters who have old training aren't gonna still be around in 3-4 MORE years. and maybe the BSA will get it all figured out by then.

 

Also in the system you don't add codes, you can only choose from a drop down list of class titles with codes. And only a few old codes are listed, like S101 Boy Scout Leader Basic Training Pre 2001.  Most old course codes have been dropped from the system as far as I can tell.

You'd be surprised. My training dates to the early 1990s, and one SM in my district has his from the1960s! I'm still around.

the link i provided had all of the training codes for myscouting.org . i assume, and you know what happens when when you assume , that my.scouting.org would use the exact list.

Does anyone remember when the national training committee stated that the only way to be considered "trained" for the trained strip, traing awards,  and for JTE was to have the most current training? Then people complained and they decided that local training chairmen (read district and council training chairs), can decide to accept the older training or not. So I am assuming that the district training chairs can fill out training reports using the current codes and current date if they accept the older training.

FYI one thing I was advised to do whenever I teach a class:  add my name to the student list.

If memory serves, LDS Scouts must be aactive in their church's unit. They don'tget a choice.

Idon't know if there is a penalty or punishment if LDS Scouts transfer to another troopor not, but that may needto be done.

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If it's within your unit you contact your unit key 3 [or training chair if a key 2 person has designated them as such in the myscouting system  they can add in the current code with the date of training to update your records.  Of course, understandably if it's a class that has been redesigned and may be really different now, it might be a good idea to take the current class.  So if they took a troop committee challenge in 1995 in a classroom setting maybe just ask them to take the current edition of the course online in 20 or so minutes.

 

DO NOT USE TH NEW CODES WITH THE ORIGINAL DATES!!!!!

I wastold todo that by aDE and while it provided a quick fix at tthe time, 3. or 4years late it. caused major problems.

Let me lookfor thetraaingcode lnk

It's possible. Remember anything he's done since June 1st can go towards the new AOL requirements.

I had a Lakota sit in on a Indian Lore MB class I did at a local MBC. She wanted to know how to teach the MB andalso learn about the local NC Indians.

There are 7 required Adventures, and each one is suppose to take about a month. Although the Duty to God requirement can probably be done concurrently with the others. So say 6 months.

If memory serves, their is a camp staff YPT that day camp and resident camp staffs have to take every year.

Our lodge doesn't have a clue. Our unit spoke with the local nation and got them to help us (actively) dress out our ceremonial team in dress consistent with the role intended. Our songs, music and dance are all consistent with actual dances from our local nation.

 

 

Please, please, PLEASE KEEP AT IT (caps for begging   )  I tried for years to get my current chapter to go local, It was slowly getting there, then stopped when I had to concentrate on Cubs.  However, our lodge has picked up on it.  Some chapters still go "Hollywood" but more and more are going local, including mine.

Unofficially, I've heard of packs "modifying" the date the Webelos Badge was earned. 

Want to clarify this as I too am against pencil whipping requirements. Because national did not grandfather Webelos like they are going to do with Boy Scouts, but instead gave a clear cut "earn Webelos badge by May 31 2015 in order to use  the (old) requirements," one CM I know put in the badge for May 31, 2015 so that they could continue with the old requirements so they would not have to buy a new book for 6-9 months only. The Webelos in question were finishing up the Webelos Badge the first week of June, and awarded the badge on June 8th at the last pack meeting.

A few comments, and not trying to be a P.I.T.B.

Officially since he didn't earn the Webelos badge before May 31, 2015, HE MUST USE THE NEW REQUIREMENTS FOR AOL (underlining and caps are emphasis, not shouting) 

Unofficially, I've heard of packs "modifying" the date the Webelos Badge was earned. 

In regards to the NEW requirements, it is suppose to take 7 months. Stuff he did over the summer can count since he became an Arrow of Light Cub Scout on June 1st.

An aside, since the Webelos badge is no longer required, it is possible for a 4th grade Webelos to start work directly on the Arrow of Light badge. I think somone screwed up at national on that , but I know my middle son is using it to his advantage.

Depending upon where the Scouts are at in their career, I may or may not suggest new books for my scouts.  My son, since he is currently Tenderfoot ( waiting on 2nd Class BOR this month ) and will be 12 when the new books come out, I'm buying.

For the 14 yo star who is almost Life, I would print out thr new requirements.

As for teaching stuff, they put a lot of stuff online as supplements, I'd use thsoe