King Ding Dong

Hey Rick, there will always be a contingent of wing nuts in any organization. These nut jobs are just blowing steam because they are on the losing side of history and they know it. The only way they win is if you leave.

Because a common disorder among Scouters is CRS. (Can't Remember S**t) There is another reason but it escapes me at the moment.

If we can just get the boys to clip coupons at troop meetings.....

Ativan and Xanax at much better. Give them a try and find your happy place. Oh, and take a deep breath, that helps also. If you put a gun to my head, I think the vote will be for no change. My reasoning is that the old Scouters are casting the votes.

There are also towns that have laws against scoring a touchdown against the home HS team. They are in Texas IIRC

Never claimed there was a Golden Age. Thanks for clearing up your argument. A good history lesson also. The BSA should recognize the laws of every state they operate in. Therefor the BSA policies against admitting people involved in criminal acts were insufficient, for those in some states.

I had problem trying to click the edit using Firefox, it worked with Safari.

You admit it was not illegal in ALL states. That shoots a giant hole in your argument. It was not a federal crime but a state crime in some but not all states.

Although I have no experience with the Scoutcraft programs, I agree 100% that only the troops own should sign off. Our SM has recommended that none of the NSP take it, as we will be covering it all at the campouts and meetings. It is good for the 2nd and 3rd year scouts to teach this as it acts as a refresher for them. Several of our 2nd year scouts were bumbling some knots at a meeting. There is also the problem that the material is to varied and vast to cover and retain in 5 days. Let them rack up a few MBs as a good start so maybe they can make Star by the following summer. They can knock out swimming, first aid, and cooking and have a great foundation. Maybe add leatherwork, basketry, nature or another fun one. My son is very engineering minded so he is going to go for pioneering knowing full well he may not get it the first time around. It should still be fun. At district training they used a lot of Jeopardy games for things like first aid, trees, animals etc. envelopes on a big sheet of cardboard and a white board for keeping score. (Not for fire ). Have some lotion on hand as all the ropes can dry out skin really fast. I would rather see a scout learn half the stuff well than just a survey of everything.

Yeah that is over the top. Never seen that before, our council has banned generators. The search function works rather poorly right now, so some other time. I would guess flat panels are a rare exception. The electronics ban was overlooked last year during the World Series, but from what I could tell it was just radios and smartphones. Scouting is not tailgating.

I get all your points. Would never consider getting wasted, just a break after a few days would be nice, but not necessary. The camp our troop picked this year has has the option of dinning hall and the boys jumped at it. I was not there for the decision process. The Standard American Diet (SAD) makes me ill, so I may need to pack some meat and veggies and do some cooking for myself. There are only so many hot dogs and beans I can eat. The beans, grains and sugar especially. We are bordering on to much leadership on the front and backend, with about 1:7 ratio midweek. I suspect HA would so completely wipe me out I couldn't lift a bottle. Besides I have sleep apnea and lugging around a 50lb deep cycle battery on a backpacking trip would be unwise. SeaBase may be my only option.

I do enjoy myself, everyone should. I am certainly not an expert on the Patrol Method, only a student. Great to hear you are having such success, keep up the good work. Turning away youth is problem not many troops experience, certainly not ours. Once sophomore year hits, they disappear. With your troop now having tents and patrol boxes the only real difference in terms of gear between our troops seems to be maybe a few old Coleman stoves with missing knobs for the Old Goat Patrol, and some Dutch ovens. And of course how we transport all that gear. What have you seen in those trailers that offend you so much ?

I would follow the Insignia Guide. Campaign buttons and patches outside the temporary location are not allowed. There is no restriction on slides. You raise an interesting point because there is a certain amount of individualism allowed on the uniform. If a rainbow slide were allowed, would an aborted fetus slide be allowed ? Extreme example, but not implausible. Or a "God hates fags" temporary patch. In the case of patches the BSA could certainly start enforcing its current rule against non-BSA sanctioned patches on the uniform. The slides and neckerchiefs I am not sure about. I suppose I would support banning symbols that are commonly used to portray issues that are really outside the purview of Scouting. I think removal from scouting is a last resort for those that after warnings refuse to comply with National rules.

Patrol box? What do you use a Patrol box for ? How are you going to haul four or five of those things around when your troop grows because you are delivering a stellar program ? Surely not a gasp "trailer" gasp. "What happened to a boy, a bag and an adventure. Just seems lost in all of the gear." BD

No doubt obesity is a big problem, but the causes of it are most important. It is not just being lazy, it is the quality of the product our food industry makes available to us. Cow do not eat corn, molasses and grains, they eat grass. Try finding grass feed beef anywhere but at Whole Paycheck. The omega 3 profile of today's beef is vastly different than 40 years ago. Teaching people to eat real food and not processed industrial foods is the solution to obesity. Something that college students would have a tough time doing as many of them are fed a steady diet of processed carbs at the dinning hall.

Try screaming at your monitor. It works for me. A lot of functions are broken. In order to see past the first page on some but not all threads you must use the filter and select "discussions only".

If you disagree with the policy, it's important that you join and lend your voice to the chorus of equality and fairness. The national BSA only listens to it's members, not outsiders. The fight for equality and fairness will continue regardless of the policy vote outcome. Agreed. By leaving you just hand the BSA over. Although the BSA listens to more than just its members. They listen to donors.

My wife calls it Fourbucks.

Why doesn't the BSA make its policy a central point in recruitment ? On Scout School Night or the New Parent Information Meeting, why isn't it explicitly explained to the parents that in the future their little 1st grade boy "comes out" as gay that he will be summarily dismissed from the Scouting and any advancement he was working on will be denied ? Not a very positive message for many parents when they are there for a positive message.

I may have been well known among those who have strong feelings on either side of the issue but not so much to the vast middle. I have been in scouting for 5 years now but only two as a leader. The issue never came up in my training. I honestly was not aware of it until the issue of denying Eagles to teens exploded in the news recently. I was always in public school based programs, but I always imagined that it might be an issue in a church based program, not because of the BSA but the church it self. I guess I always assumed a "local option". I missed the whole Dale case as I was not involved at time, and not as much as a new junkie at the time. I also don't use middlemen in my relationship with God, so nobody was thumping me over the issue. I suspect my experience is similar to the public at large. Most parents do not have much of a connection to the BSA beyond their local unit and if it is not an issue to the local leadership why would the parent know about it. I am not asserting it was a secret, but was certainly not something the BSA promoted in its advertisements. Or on the application for that matter.

I think it is a real stretch to interpret the resolution as preventing members of scouting from engaging in social or political ativities outside scouting. This forum is outside scouting. A troop meeting, campout, BOR or roundtable is inside scouting. You used the word public the resolution does not. Does it mean you can't put on your uniform and go on TV or picket a funeral and scream "God hates fags". Yes. Does it mean you can't do the same in a troop meeting in the church basement. Yes. Wearing street clothes outside of scouting activities ? I don't think so.

Swimming pool ?

Skeptic, even out of uniform? Any write up about the other provisions. Would like to see what they are.

So how was your $15 cup of coffee?

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