theysawyoucomin'

The Boys will elect him to something as the kid really is a leader, sometimes good, sometimes to Hades in a handbasket.

Once the kid took Scouts into his family's van( his father drove to the camping trip) and showed fellow Scouts xrated movies on the tv mounted in the van. We found out much too late to kill the boy.

Niell,

I'm not going to corner the boy like a 6 year old. "If you old enough to make the poop sandwich , you are old enough to eat it"

If you are man that is.

If you need to be treated like a 6 year old, I won't teach you how to use a pocket knife let alone award you with the silver chicken.

Not discounting your comments just getting more and more fed up with the kid as time goes on.

The Boys will elect him to something as the kid really is a leader, sometimes good, sometimes to Hades in a handbasket.

Once the kid took Scouts into his family's van( his father drove to the camping trip) and showed fellow Scouts xrated movies on the tv mounted in the van. We found out much too late to kill the boy.

Niell,

I'm not going to corner the boy like a 6 year old. "If you old enough to make the poop sandwich , you are old enough to eat it"

If you are man that is.

If you need to be treated like a 6 year old, I won't teach you how to use a pocket knife let alone award you with the silver chicken.

Not discounting your comments just getting more and more fed up with the kid as time goes on.

Momma,

He has not replied to the emails and he mumbled something undecipherable to the friend's parent/comm member.

I really appreciate all the comments.

I guess I wonder why this 17 1/2 year old can't "man up".

We have had 17 year olds murder people, win the Medal Of Honor on Iwo Jima, run a family farm, father children, earn a million thru running a business. Many things, from good to bad to worse and everything in between.

Yet this one kid can't say, "Mr. Guggenheim, what I did was wrong. I know that now. I was wrong to blame this whole thing you. I will work to patch up my lack of integrity"

There is a good chance I will perform his SMC in 6 months. Should I let him know now that I will not give him a positive Eagle review based on this incident?

Based on page 26 of pub#33088 policies and proced he can always appeal.

One other point. We passed him without the SM apology because the SM had gone home. It was 10pm or 10:30 at the completion and some people have to work in the morning.

Had we not erred on the side of helping this person we should have said "let's put off this judgement for a month or two". Of course then the Eagle would have been unattainable.

Top 3% of Scouting? I think not.

Momma,

Two emails and one face to face meeting with the boy have taken place since the BOR.

Thank you all for your opinions

UPDATE

10 or 11 days later "Smitty" has not yet apoligized to the SM.

Now what would you do?

The pink advancement sheet has not been handed in.

Mind you, the BOR could not have said,"Let's look at this again in 2 months. That perogative was off the table because the boy waited so long.

UPDATE

10 or 11 days later "Smitty" has not yet apoligized to the SM.

Now what would you do?

The pink advancement sheet has not been handed in.

Mind you, the BOR could not have said,"Let's look at this again in 2 months. That perogative was off the table because the boy waited so long.

WOw it's things like that that'll keep you going.

They would let my first class 13 1/2 year old attend NYLT.

You must be 14.

Some 18 year olds act 9.

Some 13 year old are Eagles.

A hard and fast number is a stupid thing. They don't know the boy.

Would his SM approve of him at NYLT, that shold be a factor.

The boy has been a DC for 14 months.

What grades does he get in school. Is he mature? What kind of camper is he?

Wants to be a PL this year and would have benefitted greatly from the traing now he will not have it.

If I could have only gotten his mom preggers 6 months earlier?!>!?!>!?!

Isn't duty to the Queen more like duty to the nation as a whole with the Queen being the symbol of that nation?

If you don't like the Queen move to America!

Star Scout "smith" realizes he has not advanced in the last 3 years as a star.

His 18th b-day is 12-27-08.

Friday, I get a call asking if we can convene a BOR for Star Scout Smith. Mind you it is 27 June.

His SMC will be the same night.

Boy tells Dad, "I asked Mr. Guggenhiemer if I could have my SMC a couple of times and he has not gotten back to me."

Dad then takes up for the boy and calls Comm members and asks about BOR.

The SM is angry. Seems smitty was LYING about asking for the SMC. He never asked for the SMC.

Dad is angry , being duped by his angel.

SM passes the boy along to the BOR with the charge that the Scout has lied to get his board done in this EMERGENCY manner.

Boy admits to lying.

We tell him what a stupid thing it is to:

wait until the last minute.

lie about your Scoutmaster so the boy's difficiency looks like the SM difficiency.

That he has 6 months to complete a project and a years worth of MBs

We talk to boy for 1 1/2 hours and at 10pm just two hours shy of turning into a pumkin boy passes BOR.

Boy displayed tremendous lack of judgement and integrity.

Boy will apoligize to SM.

Boy had completed requirements and aged about a year and a half in the couple of hours we(BOR --SMC) had him.

I mostly passed him on the fact that he realized it was dumb to lie. He completed all the requirements. I also considered the possiblity of the boy saying for the balance of his life, "the Adults didn't pass me so I never got even a chance at Eagle." Now if he does not make it, it will be up to him.

I think boy was genuinely sorry.

What would you have done?

Star Scout "smith" realizes he has not advanced in the last 3 years as a star.

His 18th b-day is 12-27-08.

Friday, I get a call asking if we can convene a BOR for Star Scout Smith. Mind you it is 27 June.

His SMC will be the same night.

Boy tells Dad, "I asked Mr. Guggenhiemer if I could have my SMC a couple of times and he has not gotten back to me."

Dad then takes up for the boy and calls Comm members and asks about BOR.

The SM is angry. Seems smitty was LYING about asking for the SMC. He never asked for the SMC.

Dad is angry , being duped by his angel.

SM passes the boy along to the BOR with the charge that the Scout has lied to get his board done in this EMERGENCY manner.

Boy admits to lying.

We tell him what a stupid thing it is to:

wait until the last minute.

lie about your Scoutmaster so the boy's difficiency looks like the SM difficiency.

That he has 6 months to complete a project and a years worth of MBs

We talk to boy for 1 1/2 hours and at 10pm just two hours shy of turning into a pumkin boy passes BOR.

Boy displayed tremendous lack of judgement and integrity.

Boy will apoligize to SM.

Boy had completed requirements and aged about a year and a half in the couple of hours we(BOR --SMC) had him.

I mostly passed him on the fact that he realized it was dumb to lie. He completed all the requirements. I also considered the possiblity of the boy saying for the balance of his life, "the Adults didn't pass me so I never got even a chance at Eagle." Now if he does not make it, it will be up to him.

I think boy was genuinely sorry.

What would you have done?

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I have personally told two boys, "in good faith to all the other boys in scouting ,if I sit on your board of review I can tell you that you will not get voted to pass that board because I have not seen you Scribe (or ASPL) at all."

Me: What have you done as the Scribe?

Scout: I helped Mr. Rodgers with the sign ups in September. And a couple of other things(it's now August)

Me: about how many hours did that take you?

Scout "6 hours"

About now he sees the light. Both good kids. Both are "jocks" more than they are Scouts.

Nobody had ever done that before in our unit. SM agrees they should have heard it from him long ago , but did not see enough of both boys to bring it up.

In the 80's there was a poster of a Drill Instructor that said, "If you were accused of being a Marine, would there be enough evidence to convict you?"

I asked both boys the same question and they agreed there was little evidence to support their POR completion.

I like what Kudu says. If we had stronger boys they would have peer led these boys long before I said something.

Merlyn and his ilk don't need to destroy Scouting.

The Leaders that killed this kids are doing a fine job. TOTALLY INACCEPTABLE.

The kid was 11 years old.

I pray for his parents, family and friends

The Land of Israel, known in Hebrew as Eretz Yisrael, has been sacred to the Jewish people since the time of the biblical patriarchs: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Scholars have placed this period in the early 2nd millennium BCE.[22] According to the Torah, the Land of Israel was promised to the Jews, by God, as their homeland,[23][24] and the sites holiest to Judaism are located there.

I bet the Palestinians hope this Atheist Jew thing takes off and expands. Then God will not have given the land to them.

The Jews that don't think there is a God, are they working hard to get the Jews out of Israel? After all they going be squatting.

Yes, I was being a horse's fanny.

Sometimes I pet strange dogs and run with scissors.

You seem to be more focused on the nationality of being Jewish not the faith for your argument. I am sure there are folks who would say you are really not a Jew if you do not think there is a God. Just as many Catholics say you cannot be Catholic and "pro-choice" about abortion.

Woody and Albert can say anything. One was arguably the brightest guy that ever lived the other guy looks like a lunch money victim, and can make us laugh but neither was sought after for guidance about God.

I have probably spent about 40 days(no correlation) to others journeys there) in Israel but it was about thirty years ago.

I'm sorry you are still hurting from your cub scout days and I do respect your depth of knowledge in this area. Haven't we stomped on the Scouts enough?

Why do you want to change the belief system of over a million kids(present) and nearly 100 years to fit your idea of what Scouting should be? The BSA might be the largest youth tolerance school in the world. It's the adults that are asking people to leave. These topics rarely come up with the scouts themselves.

If the ACLU fought for second ammendment rights with as much zeal as taking the BSA to the woodshed they may have some street cred. Mostly they just are known for the extremes.

Why doesn't the ACLU go after Uncle Sam for killing unborn babies by funding abortion. That seems to be an intrustion on ones rights, to be grabbed out of the womb seems to be worse than getting roughed up by the local cops.

This just proves the liberal, Communist Agenda is working.

Wow, thanks.

If it's good enough for Woody Allen, it's good enough for me!!!!!

Moses all your efforts were for nothing.

Sure makes all those Jews and Arabs fighting look foolish. The prophet Woody has spoken.

I'm one of them folks that cling to God and my guns. I think Jesus was fathered by the Holy Spirit.

Merlyn on 5/11 you wrote that Jews can be atheists. How does that square with Old Testament teachings?

Trotting out the old thread because I'm sure there are units out there that don't know about this recognition for their members of the Troop from all wars since Scouting was born.

Take time out from the weekend to remember them

So many people did the 60's up right that it caused many of the problems we have today.

I love how Scouting organizations hire some Million do$$ar marketing firm to change the image.

Put the effort into making the program fun and safe and the girls that are in the program, girls that enjoy the program, will do all the marketing you need.

My daughter was in it for 13 years, k-12. Went to the Allagash in Maine. Great organization.

Wow! Mike hit the nail on the head!!

You simply cannot be a FELON and lead.

He violated the Mann Act. Though not many get convicted.

He was a "hippo-crit".

John in KC and Gunny I respect your service. This SNCO doubts his leadership ability after jailing all those who ran prostitution rings. He bullied people into pleading guilty.

I live about 20 minutes from the Capital of NY. We don't do much right in NY politics but at least we got rid of this guy.

I was waiting for wifey to set the example for her 3 girls by canning this jerk.

At least he can't give invaders/illegals a drivers license now.

They can fine me for not wearing a seat belt(and they have) but let's condone invasion by givng out drivers licenses to known invaders.

By the way I'm first generation on my mothers side. She came from British Guyanna after WW2 at the age of 12.

At 99 cents a pound corned beef can't be too impressive.

The Fruit juice seems like a good fit. I will try it in advance. Thank you.

GW,

I took my 18 year old daughter to Fenway Park last summer, as a joke I was going to buy her an O'Doules, the beer vendor said it was against Mass. law.

I don't know why but didn't argue

Thank you all for the responses

I've got a great Corned Beef recipie that I would like to use in a D.O. on a camping trip for the Rocking Chair gang

Well I'm not going to bring two cans of beer on a campout.

By skipping the beer what will be left out?

What does beer/ alcohol do to meat in a simmering pot?

I doubt I'll be able to tell.