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We just ran a 3 day 2 night 44 mile canoe trip.

The SSD/ SA was helpful but not much else I learned in IOLS was really helpful. I have learned more from the net about water filters and dutch oven recipes.

I feel the same as Gunny, a Marine Infantry Platoon SGT. does not need IOLS but how would you certify "outsider" experiences?

I have only sung this song once at Wood Badge. We did not do a great job. Does anyone know where or what the music is for these lyrics

The Paddle Song

3 part round

Our paddles keen and bright,

Flashing like silver;

Swift as the wild goose flight,

Dip, dip, and swing.

Dip, dip, and swing them back,

Flashing like silver;

Swift as the wild goose flight,

Dip, dip and swing.

repeat

Holy cow!!!

turns out MSR has a new fancy web site.

which tells you this

http://www.msrcorp.com/stoves/about_stoves.htm#tips

in general an 8 oz can should boil eough water for 4 days for two people on a summer trip

or words to that effect.

"What a truly modern world we live in"

Hearing the words "in general" is like hearing a Marine PFC or second Louie say, "In my experience,............."

Just got back.

We had enough fuel. Too much.

Worse yet I still don't know what the mileage is.

Thinking about burning two stoves one high, one medium, continuosly and as not to waste the BTU's (cause I'm cheap) use it to pre heat my lead for sinkers and muzzleloader bullets. I would record the time used for each setting.

Diary of an American Boy and any book about tools by Eric Slone.

We may not use those tools anymore, but reading this book and looking at the pictures could help the vast lack of spacial thought and problem solving.

Yes to Killer Angels by Shaara Give them a bigger map to track troop movements.

Follow My Leader, 2 thumbs up.

Kudos Gunny to Be Expert with map and compass.

The newer version leaves out the magic carpet picture describing the Map.

search-------- rome pie iron

mine even came with a book.

Mostly we use apple and cherry pie filling with bread.

Bring pizza dough and pepperoni and you can make calzones. they take about 15 minutes because the dough is raw.

A pie with bread takes about ten minutes.

Ps don't forget spam!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Put your hand back on the railing...

climb in off the ledge...

There is plenty of time to panic later and you probably will.

John will get you through it. There are ticket formats on the web.

The second weekend still has a lot in store. Don't finish your tcket before the next weekend. Just some ideas.

Let the course speak to you. Help you unit through the ticket.

Right now you are being shaped like a piece of iron in the fire. Some of your molecules is changin', of course you're in distress.

P.s. don't wait until 7 days shy of 18 months to finish like I did. That's when you panic.

You don't say what patrol you are in.

thank you.

I'm using it from Long to Raquette to Tupper this weekend and mileage is the big question. We have three for 12 bodies.

We have used these pie irons for a couple of years. We even have a select club called the A-pie-chees. With an Apiechee Chief and all.

Anyone who slaps apple pie filling or anything else on two slices of bread and cooks and eats it forever becomes an Apiechee. So much for hazing.

We cook a milk can type dinner in a dutch oven. The idea came from a forest rangers cook book that cites the milk can method

We get an oven and pack it as follows

Potatoes

onions

cabbage

kielbasa

We would do the corn if the oven was deep enough. Sometimes we do corn on the fire.

Other times we cook down the potatoes, onions and cabage and add the corn and kielbasa later.

A "trainwreck" is any jumbled mess with veggies potatoes and meat.

A "Polish Trainwreck" has keilbasa.

I don't think it's very unique but we make full blown apple pies in a

9" pie tin in a 12 oven. Just like mom makes. The Crust is store bought.

The boys really like popcorn in a dutch oven. With all the micro wave stuff some kids don't know what real popcorn is.

Cover the oven bottom in oil one kernel deep. place two kernel in oven place in fire with lid ajar. When the kernels pop the oil is hot enough. Add a man sized handfull of corn and pop away.

uz2bnowl writes:

Because the ACLU would NOT want to look prejudice in the eyes of the nation. It's always been ok to trash Christianity, remember the artist that threw elephant poop at Mary's picture?

Merlyn writes

No, but I remember when Roman Catholic artist Chris Ofili used elephant dung in his work "The Holy Virgin Mary," as he has used elephant dung in nearly all his works since he staying in Zimbabwe for six weeks, but on what possible basis could the ACLU object? Something made by an artist using his own money, and the ACLU is supposed to do what, exactly? The first amendment protects that.

Crucifix in the clear beaker of urine?

Same questions for Serrano's "Piss Christ"; what has that got to do with the ACLU?

That's all "art".

"Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... now you tell me what you know."

-- Groucho Marx in Animal Crackers.

A moment of silence in school is offensive. Saying Merry Christmas is offensive.

OK, now you're just babbling. Are you trying to imply that these are official ACLU positions, or are you just stringing phrases together in the hope it will magically form an argument?

A foot washing station is o.k. because it is diverse and multi-cultural.

That's not what the ACLU said, but since you obviously aren't interested in real information, why bother?

Hey, Merlyn who died and made you the person who decides what's relative?

Nobody. I have my opinions are argue them forcefully, and I actually look up information instead of making up crap. This can be a very effective way to 1) argue, and 2) accomplish things. You might want to try it sometime.

There's more garbage on the politics area of this site than one can imagine.

You're certainly holding your own in that department.

You're not tolerant of Christians

Sorry, now you're lying. For one thing, I've been married to a Christian for 19 years now. For another, I consistently argue for equal treatment of people regardless of religion.

or this article yet you want us to accomodate you and your views.

No, I DEMAND accomodation and equal treatment, and I've stated before that I would defend that up to and including deadly force if I thought it was necessary.

You want to change the views of 4 million Scouts and get rid of the DRP.

I'd hardly have to change the views of all 4 million scouts because a fair number of them think the BSA's religious discrimination is pointless and idiotic.

So Merlyn if the poop slinger did it all with his own money and Me and the ACLU (perish the thought yeck in the same sentence)have no dog in the fight, then by extension if the Scouts are no longer in reciept of public favors (real or imagined). They are a private institution using private money then why do you care if they don't allow non beleivers? It's all private just like the poop flinger.

I am a Comm. member and a Dad.

I wear the full uniform for 95% of the meetings.

I wear the full uniform for Camporees.

We have a Troop tee shirt for real work or play. Worn with Scout shorts. If the adults aren't going to get too dirty we wear full uniform while the kids wear class "B"

For all but high adventure type camping trips (not Camporees) our Troop wears the uniform to depart from town.

I usually only wear WB beads hardly ever the necker and woggle.

with Scout shorts I wear knee socks.

No extra or non reg patches though I would like to get a red and black rocking chair patrol patch and wear it but I won't.

I recently spoke to a business owner that advertises with Outside.

He knows the unkind lady that wrote the article, he is not happy.

He is going to call the editor and ask, "What were you thinking?"

Might help us all if we called some of their other advertisers.

If the article was critical of those that can muster enough for a good old fashioned protest she might think again before stating it in so mean a manner.

Then again maybe there are those here that don't thingk it was offending at all.

He thought the article was beyond pure description and plain mean with some of the style of the article.

He said the article just oozed snob.

The snobbery of the writing made it seem as though the woods are just for the ultra ultra ultra lightweight, high speed low drag, titanium coated, Lexan wine glass drinking, space age, snob backpacker.

Heaven forbid a gang of kids pass you on the trail with borrowed,old hand-me-down gear, laughing and joking a little.

How long does the MSR tin of fuel last?

What about the coleman tank?

To add to the Mitchell Paige story...

He was talking to a group of young men and he talked about earning the Eagle Award. Well, the boys did some research and later confronted Col. Paige about the award saying his name did not appear on the list of Eagles. Col. Paige was upset that the boys thought him a liar, especially after his work exposing MOH imposters.

They did some research, including schoolmate who remembered hearing it announced over the loudspeaker at school back in 19whatever.

The research proved he earned it and he was presented the award.

This last March Troop 53 from NY awarded the Eagle to Gordon Shillinglaw. If you google his name he is a published accounting professor. Mr. Shillinglaw is also 80something years old.

Because the ACLU would NOT want to look prejudice in the eyes of the nation. It's always been ok to trash Christianity, remember the artist that threw elephant poop at Mary's picture? Crucifix in the clear beaker of urine?

That's all "art".

A moment of silence in school is offensive. Saying Merry Christmas is offensive.

A foot washing station is o.k. because it is diverse and multi-cultural.

Hey, Merlyn who died and made you the person who decides what's relative? There's more garbage on the politics area of this site than one can imagine.

You're not tolerant of Christians or this article yet you want us to accomodate you and your views. You want to change the views of 4 million Scouts and get rid of the DRP.

I took this last week at camp

From the brochure:

Contact your local council or regional service center to locate a qualified individual. The climbing instructor has successfully completed a minimum of 10 hours of instructor training for climbing/rappelling from a nationally or regionally recognized organization, a climbing school, a college-level climbing/rappelling course.

Examples of sources of qualified climbing and rappelling instructors include, but are not limited to, the following:

BSA climbing directors or instructors

National Outdoor Leadership School

Wilderness Education Association

American Mountain Guides Association

The Mountaineers

Recreational Equipment Inc.

Eastern Mountain Sports

University or college climbing/rappelling instructors or students

Project Adventure instructors

National Speleological Society chapters

Leaders and instructors should also consult current literature on climbing and rappelling for additional guidance. Topping Out: A BSA Climbing/Rappelling Manual, No. 3207A, is the most authoritative guide currently available from the Boy Scouts of America.

I am assuming from the above that one could contact their local EMS store and take a weekend course and be qualified to do this.

This fall we are planning to do just that. However , we will get something in writing from the council before we spend money with EMS

The Bible

The Scout Handbook

American Boys Handy book, by DC Beard

"A Day No Pigs Would Die" Robert Newton Peck

"Listening Walk" By Gene Hill

"White Fang" by Jack London

"Treasure Island" by Stevenson

Merlyn,

Because the safe rides program is run by a Venture crew, the crew is part of the BSA. The BSA contends that there are certain joining requirements that they hold dear.

Nothing forbids Sam the anti-theist from starting a ride program based on his love for his brother. His service would be just as valued.

Best of all, he would not be trying to change a widely respected organinzation to suit his beliefs. Beliefs which are contrary to one of the core beliefs of the organization and it's founder.**

Seems simple to me.

** "To be loyal to God means never to forget God but remember him in all that you do. If you never forget him you will never do anything wrong. If, you when you are doing something wrong , you remember God, you will stop doing it.

BP, written in 1938

One thing that was omitted.

As you build, flex the shoe every now and then as though you were walking with it. you don't want to build over the flex area and then shine them only to bust up the shine the first time you wear them. It looks bad.

Also impress upon the kids that with a "spit shine there are three things to remember

1 After all the leather pores have polish worked into them and a good build is worked up you are actually shining polish not the leather any more. You'll see it if you don't understand.

2 never actually spit on your shoes it's unsat and disgusting.

3 As you get close to perfect the only moisture your going to need for the last couple of swirls is condensation from your breath.

The oil that Gunny spoke of can be Kiwi neutral which works good at the very end.

Make sure the kids apply edge dressing(get it at a shoe repair place) use it on the edges and where the upper is sewn to the sole. Nothing looks worse than spit shines with no edge dressing. You work for hours on the shine , what's another 3 minutes with the edge dressing. It's the cherry on top of the sunday.

Another common radio term was [deleted]

and it stood for "[deleted]"

Like as in a gold or blue star from your teacher?

"repeated need on this board to use foul language and crude suggestion to get your point across, particularly aimed toward women"

Wish to expand on this? Your words...... can you show where mine fit the bill? (This message has been edited by a staff member.)

Lisa

My 2 year olds were incontinent, is that what it is?

I've got 370 some odd posts here can you direct me to some foul stuff?

6/9

5/11

5/25

I even gave you a thumbs up! It's all right there for all to read.

is "pie hole" foul?

Is witch unkind?

I'm having a hard time here kid.

is "[expletive deleted]" women bashing? (This message has been edited by a staff member.)

I'm sorry Lisa come again?????

What's foul?

What's women bashing?

This ....witch wrote a book about L.N.T. in which she bashed the Boy Scouts for teaching kids to ditch their tents(fist edition). She spoke of a 1967 edition of the Scout Handbook.

Helloooooo,

In 1967 chemical plants along the Niagara River were seen as American strength, manufacturing powerhouse.

The Hudson River was an open sewer.

Her father could have worked in a manufacturing plant to send her to journalism school or put food in her pie hole.

Yes times have changed for the best and the Scouts have changed too.

She has an axe to grind.

I'll try to quote her first edition chapter and verse.