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Talk to the SM and let him deal with it. If he assigned the task, and was satisfied with the result, so be it. Sometimes the bully NEEDS to be given more responsibility and closely mentored in how the responsibility is carried out. Did he do a good job teaching/practicing knots? It might actually be appropriate to make him an Instructor. On the other hand, if the Scout made it sound as if he thought up the assignment, rather than being assigned to do it, well, that also needs to be pointed out to the SM.

Stosh? "Recruit"? You recruit? Hey, we only have to say we have a need and the donut seekers trample each other to take up the responsibility! Yeah, oops, pardon , I have to go water the sheep now to preshrink the wool....

Let me understand this. Scout1 was a grumpy grouch all week. Somehow S1 got to Scout2, telling him to "get out of MY chair!" in front of S2's mom. S2M then got deep into S1's face about his rude behavior to S2, and others. . S2's dad had to vigorously intercede to stop S2M from further violence, verbal or worse. All this occurred in full view of the rest of the Troop, Scouts and adults present. Do I have that all correct? And S2 was to be Tapped for OA, and is a "great Scout" "on his way to Eagle". Certainly, such behavior is never warranted, either between adults or adult to child. On face, this sounds like S2M has more of a problem than this one episode. Any approach to S2M and S2Dad needs to be carefully considered, factual and measured. It should be done in committee, in private, away from the Troop. It should be made clear that such behavior is not Scoutlike and unworthy of Scout parent. "But what about S1?" Not the issue. He was also unscoutlike in his behavior, but he has an excuse, he is a child, and still learning how to be a responsible citizen, led by the Scout Promise and Law, yes? Perhaps some time away from the Troop may be appropriate for S2M, but S2 is still certainly welcome to Scout along with the rest of the Troop. "But what about S1?" S1 is not your problem. YOU are your problem. S1 will be counseled as necessary and appropriate for him. Good luck to you all....

Hold the plane wash at night. Makes it a par-tay, and then no worries about sunburn. Tripping and falling in the dark, maybe, but not sunburn....

Homosexual, heterosexual, metasexual, it matters not. Any sexual contact is inappropriate in Scouting. The YP guidelines can and should be applied in any case of such behavior. "There is no Sexuality merit badge."

But it all begs the question..... why did he bring email with him???

“But I don’t have time for Scouts!†Well, let’s see.... (Balance) Over one year… 365 days times 24 hours equals 8,760 hours. 8,760 hours (we’ll give you 29 February every four years) Oh, you do understand that all this is theoretical right? RIGHT? *In no particular order* • Gotta sleep. 8hrs/day x 365 = 2,920 (-) = 5,840 hrs left Therefore, 1 day = 16 hrs available. • Family vacation, 2 weeks? “â€Quality timeâ€â€ 14 days x 16 hours = 224. 5,616 • Religious observance (include some travel time, atheist advantage? Don’t forget on vacation!) 4hrs/week x 50 weeks = 200 5,416 • Gotta go to work! (inc. some O.T., travel) 10hrs/day x 5 days/week x 50 weeks = 2,500 2,916 • Hygiene 1hr/day x 7days x 50 weeks = 350 2,666 • Health Care (Drs, dentists, etc.) all prescheduled, of course! Estimate 50 hrs/year = 50 (no emergencies allowed!) 2,616 • Gotta eat! Family time… & cleanup…allow some flex… 2hrs/day x5 days x 50 weeks = 500 2,116 • General “homework†(mow lawn, fix faucet, kid’s homework, wash car, vacuum, etc.) 1hr/day x 6 days x 50 weeks = 300 1,816 • Veg out with TV with family (you deserve it) (“hey! I was watching that!â€) 2hrs/day x 5 days x 50 weeks = 500 1,316 • Special Spouse Time (SST) (you define!) 4hrs x 50 weeks = 200 1,116 Okay, that covers all the important stuff. Now about Scouting…. ( Note: eating, sleeping, hygiene, etc. all already accounted for, mostly.) (“Fudge factor activatedâ€) • Troop/Pack/Den/Crew/Ship/Committee meeting 3hrs/week x 50 weeks = 150 966 • Plan an activity to help with (visit museum, zoo, dayhike, sell popcorn) 6hrs/month x 10 months = 60 906 Balance • Summer Camp? Cub Day Camp? Cruise? You’ve got the van! Boss sez “OK†6 days x 10hrs = 60 846 • Overnight campout, Friday thru Sunday (adjust as necessary) Dirt, campfire, hike, rain…other stuff (sleep, eat, etc. already included) Fri: 3hrs + Sat: 10hrs + Sun: 5 hrs = 18 Twice a year! = 36 810 • Help with service projects ( Eagle, at CO, Scout for Food, etc.) 7hrs x 3 times = 21 789  Whoa! Why that’s …that’s over 10 weeks available! ((10hrs/day x 7days/week)) You could reorganize that spare bolt drawer in your workshop! Instruct your spouse how to load the dishwasher! Watch “Plan Nine†again! And you thought you didn’t have enough time for Scouts … Hah!

"Do, or do not. There is no try"

Look at the "success" of the Girl Scouts USA . They do without local sponsoring "charter" orgs. They also have far less "professionals", and less direct, goal oriented "training". What has that done for them? Their volunteer leaders do it all. If the GSLeader doesn't do it, it doesn't happen. If the BSA is successful, define it as you will, it is, at least in part, owing to the local membership/national/international relationships. Dan Beard's and Ernie Seton's clubs folded in favor of the BSA model because "it works". As to the actual working of a new scouting club, the idea of ranks, awards, recognitions would be there for the youth (yes, I tend to agree it would be bi-gendered). The need to encourage some spirituality if not religion would be there. The need to have "safe" adventure in the out of doors would be there. Our Yearly Meeting sponsors 4 summer camps, one which is "traveling" (hiking, canoeing, biking) (BSA would call it a "High Adventure " camp) for the older campers. One is more "artsy-craftsy", but all do the outdoor thing. All of them involve many kids who have, initially, never been more outdoors than walking to the school bus stop from their house. Some kids have family camping or even Scouting in their lives. But ALL are included in the camping part of camp. The younger kids spend two nights in camp (screened in cabins) then two nights on local trails, pack on back, under the tutilege of experienced counselors (I know some of them are Philmonters), who lead all the cooking and such, but the campers walk and carry. If it rains, they get wet. Then back to camp, three or four nights in cabin, do it again. The older kids do longer hikes , rock climbing, and even a canoe trip on the Shenandoah. If they learn any camp craft, it is by osmosis. And they do. Scoutson did both Scout summer camp and Yearly Meeting camp, he said they were different, but he expected that. He said he liked both for what each was. YM camp was not meant to be a "skills" learning camp, and Scout summer camp was not meant to be an "experience" camp, per se. He used his Scout training and experience to help make the YMcamp better (his last camp was bicycling over 600 miles thru the Shenandoah valley ) , so he said, and used his YM experience to help make his Troop experience better. No badges to earn at YMcamp. Many badges earned at BSAcamp. That is one big difference. What are the leaders/counselors purpose? Direction? Intention? That is the biggest difference. YM camp remembers the founders' purpose and celebrates it , constantly. Does BSA? Whose vision would lead a new, "today" Scout movement? I forget, what's Irving's last name? Any new Scout program would ,by definition, need to be an adventure camp program. As I think about it, BSA is really operating , considerably, on momentum. It continues because it can. The adult leaders that are so loyal to the Scouting BSA program, remember what it was for them, or what they wished it had been for them, or what they think it should be . And because Irving sees BSA fading, they try to make it new to attract today's boys (and girls)

Cambridgeskip: Feel sorry for them. YOU are having fun with THEIR son. They could be there, but, for whatever reason, they are not. Scene: Nature pavilion at CSDC. It is "Leave No Trace Day". I get to hand out a bright orange card to each boy, and tell'em stories about fire prevention , lead them in discussing (and they DO!!) how to pee in the woods (ooo, that's gross), is it right to leave YOUR trash for someone else to pick up? (NOOOOO!) , leaving flowers for others to see, respecting others' time in the woods, when you go camping as a Boy Scout will your mom be there to pick up after you? (NOOOOO!), all right then. I want you to get up with your buddy, and walk 50 paces out THAT WAY and turn left and walk 10 paces THAT WAY, and turn left and walk back 50 paces and PICK UP ANYTHING ON THE GROUND THAT GOD DIDN"T PUT THERE! Ready, set GO! And while the Cubs are doing their thing for that 6 or 7 minutes (and despite how clean the park looked, they picked up a fair amount of trash in 6 hours of this!), I over hear one mom/Denwalker on her phone: " I can't believe I agreed to DO this. Someone else could've... yeah, that's right, Cub Scouts... I will have SOOO much work next Monday to make up. Oh, of course, hot, dirty. I guess he's having fun, but he could've had fun at home with his PlayStation, couldn't he? I mean..." ...and she went on like that for the next 10 minutes in the background, walking around.... *sigh*

Tenderfoot requirement #9: ""Explain the importance of the buddy system as it relates to your personal safety on outings and in your neighborhood. Describe what a bully is and how you should respond to one."" Stosh: Are you asking who the "bully" is in this case? Or who the Scout's "buddy" is? Christineka: I am sure your Scout is aware of his desire to please you and take care of his "business". Our Scoutson was in 4H, and we home schooled from 7grade thru HS graduation. Along the way, he won awards in science fairs, went to Philmont twice, staffed a Jamboree, raised 30 plus rabbits, winning ribbons and paying his way. And earning Eagle just before he was 18.... At age 21, he still has some contact with his Troop and we certainly are guilty of both reminding him of stuff and being proud of him. Along the way, we also learned to back off and remind him that it's his Scouting, not ours.

The last Jambo might be educational. WiFi relay towers, Scout schmart phones that were to be included with the registration fee, Jambo wide announcement apps that didn't, Solar powered (sometimes) charging stations, cellphone access to the lucky/privileged, Scouts concerned with competitive recharging ("hey, mines up to 40%", "mines up to 45...")(actual overheard conversation @ 9pm), Jambo News that were never intended to be in print but online, I could think of some more given time, but you might get the idea.

Jag-off, Jaggers, from (?) Jakers! (from Wkipedia, yes I watched it with my much younger son).... : Jakers! The Adventures of Piggley Winks (or Jakers in Europe) is an animated half-hour children's television series. The show was animated using computer-generated imagery and broadcast in the United States on PBS Kids (English) from September 7, 2003[1] to January 24, 2007.[2] The show chronicles the boyhood adventures of Piggley Winks, an anthropomorphic pig from Ireland, and how he relates these stories to his grandchildren as a grandfather in the present day. The word "jakers" was originally a euphemism for "Jesus" in much of Ireland during the 1950s and 1960s and was an exclamation of surprise, delight, dismay, or alarm. Piggley and his father use it to express their delight when they discover something on their adventures.

Recruitment is the topic today. If Scouting is deemed a good thing for boys, why is YOUR unit the one they should join to get that "Good Thing"? If the Troop only depends on Crossing Over Webelos for it's "new blood", what is the real reason for that Troop's existence? If a Cub Pack recruits from the general school population, what's to stop a Boy Troop from doing the same thing? Does your Troop make any effort (posters, handouts, presence at PTA meetings, back to school nights, school assemblies?) to give 5,6,7,8 grade boys the opportunity , the reasons to consider Scouting along with sports, band, debate club, etc.? What is the reason some boys "jump ship" to another unit ? Why the jealousy between Scout Leaders if we are all (officially) bent to the same task ? What was that mission statement again? If a Troop depends on ( a ) Pack for it's "new blood", shouldn't it help that Pack recruit Cubs? Shouldn't it make itself attractive to those Cubs ? If a boy LIKES being a Scout (Cub, Boy) , how can we, the ADULT Leaders, make it easy for the Scout to invite his friends to join too? Assuming , that is, that we want "outsiders" to join.....

Since this enumeration of Scouterdotcom doesn't have a "spin-off" function, Time for another thread.

I'm thinking that it is late in the year for April Fool's day.... ""living out the organization’s motto of using any tool they have, be it a piece of rope or piece of technology."" I would like to know where she got this. I am not averse to technology. I think archiving your certificates for future reference might be a good thing (BSA never lost any paperwork, naaaah). I would like to know who gets the money out of this, Eagle94: Time for a Sewing Merit Badge Day for your Troop :-) and point out the benefits of "Badge Magic" or even "Goop" used judiciously.... And, one can always safety pin things on and get aunt Matilda to sew it on, or your local dry cleaners will often sew Scout stuff for cheap if you have it placed where you want it.

The ultimate in Leave No Trace : Pack out your human waste: How to Shit in the Woods by Kathleen Meyer. http://www.amazon.com/How-Shit-Woods-Edition-Environmentally/dp/1580083633 THE reference for human hygiene. NPS rules, back country policies, equipment (both professional and home made), health issues, what COULD happen..... Goes along with Everyone Poops by Taro Gomi http://www.amazon.com/Everyone-Turtleback-Library-Binding-Edition/dp/0613685725 Somebody's got to tell'em... that toilet does go somewhere......

Yep. It's been awhile. I also like the Opinel, got one in Spain on my Camino trek two years ago. Here's a nice "Cub " knife: http://www.scoutstuff.org/cub-scout-lockback-knife.html#.VZsulrtRHIU And in answer to a long ago request, since the PI function doesn't, herewith our Whittlin' Chip curriculum, one of many that can be found..... https://www.dropbox.com/s/gtu8g107a5e4t1v/ScoutWhitlinChip2.docx?dl=0 Good Scouting to you!

Any Troop want to invite Mister and Misses President to hike Philmont or The Summit?

GSUSA depends more on the leader's desire than the BSA does. BSA has specific training to LEAD the leader into the outdoors, so to speak. Not so in GSUSA to my ken. If the GSUSA leader doesn't want to camp/hiked/etc., it can't happen. Gurlz who want to CHE, (especially etc.) need to join Venture Scouts!

Incorrigible: Welcome to the forums. A lot of us are retired and come on now and then. Some of us work early, write late, I used to work early and write even earlier.. The YP is online, as a Scout Leader one has to sign on to MyScouting.org, and start off. Lots of the required training is now on line. Have fun as you let your Venturers have fun....

Home School Aviation Venture Crew! Why didn't I think of that! As you may have noticed, there are few parents as dedicated to their kids success (and independence) as home schoolers. I would definitely promote your crew thru that avenue, but make it a publicly aware thing too. A thirty seat plane is the "smallest" you have access to? Wow. What is that, a DC3 or a DASH8 ? Ditto the comments about training. And YOU need to insist on the YP training. That Council wonk needs to have his ears pinned back by the SE, or somebody, as that lack or forging can come back to bite you. Good Scouting to you and your Venturers.

This discussion is not so much about "what the boy(s) need or want" as it is about what the adult wants. Here, the adult seems to want a Boy Scout Troop. If he (or she?) has a big Troop, with boys moving into it, he feels successful. If there is a Cub Pack that is "his", then that moving in, that joining is almost automatic and guaranteed. Where is the effort? Where is the proof that the Troop is a good one, boy led, full of the adventure and safe opportunity that we here are always talking about? "If you build it, they will join" but only if THEY know about "it". Recruiting involves more than protecting Cub Pack "turf". You need a program that the boys have ownership in, that they would want to tell their buds about and invite them to join. The community needs to know about it, thru posters and signs and media stories and service projects.

Mention "Cub Scouts" and you get amazing responses. We always schedule "Specials" . These have included (in past years): the State Police Rescue Helicopter, lots of fire trucks and F&R personnel in turn out gear, Hawks and Eagles from rescue places, RC model aircraft (including jets!), homing pigeons, hot air balloons, big trucks from construction sites, cranes, professional archers, parrot circus,the Army Corps of Engineers (big trucks and a building stuff class!. We had to do NOTHING!), Embassies have sent exhibits and crafts, NASA sends astronauts to talk about space exploration, model rocketry, astronomy/telescope club (in the middle of the day? Yep), Star Wars club in costume, model T club builds a car in 15 minutes, farm equipment, fishing gear, Scales and Tails (state parks), Civil War re-enactors, and more, but I can't remember them all. Someone has to think and ask.... They will come!

Thomas Crapper: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Crapper Swearing( to tell the truth): Mathew 5:34 Tinker's dam(n): https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tinker's_damn Other dam(n): to condemn, make worthless, destroy in hell... Bodily functions of various types, used as nouns, verbs , adjectives, adverbs..... All (and others) can be replaced with better choices as means to express frustration, unexpected pain, disgust, anger, and other emotions. Used as descriptive adjectives for no good real purpose or to only lend emphasis to what is otherwise a poor argument , they can likewise be replaced with a little thought with better choices. Encourage those choices....