SR540Beaver

The four corners area of New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado and Utah. It'll be unlike anything back home.

Cheers!

Like it or not folks, a scout camp IS a business. Our Cub resident camp has had the same camp director and program director for at least the last 10 years. While they certainly have their challenges with Council allowing over bookings, not enough resources and sometimes being short on staff, it hums like a well oiled machine. It should. They have the experience and know all the tricks of the trade. On the other hand, our Boy Scout camp is on their fourth, fifth or possible sixth CD and PD over the last 10 years. For Boy Scout camp, the Council tended to assign the job to already overworke

BadenP: ".......it is NOT open to any girl or open to any adult potential leader because they are not a US citizen. If you want to go on attacking me fine, I really could care less as you three in particular are really showing your own immaturity and ignorance as to what the AHG organization truly represents. Because the AHG emphasizes GOD in their program does not make it special or holy in any way since the god they represent certainly is not the GOD of the Bible, but a twisted interpretation of scripture that is plainly erroneous......." "Simply put the AHG is purely an evangeliz

This is also in the adult registration form. "AHG is a Christ-centered scouting organization that recognizes the importance of religious faith yet leaves religious instruction to the members family and religious leaders. Members are not forced to participate in religious activities."

OGE, yes. From what was posted in the original thread, the OLD adult registration form basically said you had to be an American citizen. That has since changed to include resident aliens. Some anti-AHG folks still want to cling to the obsolete form to prove a point. http://www.americanheritagegirls.com/uploads/AdultVolInfoWithApp11.pdf ....."Those individuals holding leadership positions must be at least 21 years of age; a legal resident of the United States of America".....(This message has been edited by sr540beaver)

Interesting read Gunny. Thanks!

Baden, With all due respect, it's time for you to put up or shut up. You keep making a lot of accusations and claims of the AHG's true motives. Many of us have repeatedly posted information from their website, but you've repeatedly avoided actually documenting any of your claims. But then, opinions are hard to document.

Here is a great article by National Geographics Boyd Matson. http://travel.nationalgeographic.com/travel/traveler-magazine/unbound/boy-scouts/ "On this, my third climb up Kilimanjaro, I already know what to expect: six nights sleeping on the ground, no bath for a week, cold wind, thin air, and maybe mild altitude sickness. I keep asking myself, Why am I doing this, again? Finally I come up with an answer. I blame the Boy Scouts of America. That organization stole my soul when I was a kid and planted it in the wilderness. I was too young to resist their clever sales pitch built around

Well Baden, if you'll note, I was taking exception to YOUR comment and provided evidence from the AHG website as to what is actually in their Oath, mission, creed, etc. This whole ragging on the AHG you do sure seems to be an odd bur under the saddle of a Christian minister. You said, "its main purpose, from their own website and literature, is to build a CHRISTIAN girls relationship with God and their church." I showed you from their website where they do far more than that with their expectation of duty to family, country and community as well as God. And they do it in part thru an outdo

Baden: "AHG is NOT a scouting program by any stretch of the imagination, its main purpose, from their own website and literature, is to build a CHRISTIAN girls relationship with God and their church." You left out a lot of other stuff in your biased opinion. AHG Oath: "I promise to love God, Cherish my family, Honor my country, and Serve in my community." AHG Mission: "Building women of integrity through service to God, family, community and country." AHG Vision: "American Heritage Girls is the premier national character development organization for

Customer service! Ever been to a store where you can't get help? Where you see employees everywhere, but they refuse to interact with the customers? I remember a day and time when you couldn't get anyone at Best Buy to help you, or if you did, you had to wait 15 minutes. Now, they practically knock you over coming and asking if they can help or if you have any questions. Lowe's and Home Depot have made the same switch. We all know those teenage guys who stare at the ground and mumble and avoid contact with adults. Those are not the guys you want to hire for camp staff. You want guys who

Basement, Should I need to get a hip replacement at some point, what is your learned opinion on metal and plastic vs metal on metal vs ceramic on ceramic implants?

Sure he stands a chance. Just consider that his opponent has nothing more than his record to run on......and honestly, it isn't very good. We'd be foolish to give him four more years to continue doing what he's doing.

Baden, I already stated that I knew UU didn't consider themselves Christian when I told Pack "I realize that" in response to his comment. However, the UUA's own website says, "individual Unitarian Universalists may also identify with and draw inspiration from Atheism and Agnosticism, Buddhism, Christianity, Humanism, Judaism, Paganism, and other religious or philosophical traditions", so it is possible that UU folks could identify themselves by one of those labels. But you should already know that. Maybe you are the one who needs to do more research before spouting off. UU does inde

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Pack, I realize that. However, UU has it's origins in Christianity as evidenced by the links below. Given Baden's claim that the mainstream Christian beliefs represented in AHG are "pseudo-Christianity", it made me wonder if this is where he is coming from. My degree is in religion and I too spent some time in the ministry and I don't see anything on the AHG website that any Christian denomination, protestant or Catholic, would take such strong exception to. http://www.uua.org/beliefs/welcome/index.shtml In addition to holding different beliefs on spiritual topics, individual Unit

Eagle92, national has not taken over council websites. I know the folks who run ours locally. That being said, I believe council websites are supposed to conform to certain national standards.....although we have a sister council in my neck of the woods who's website hasn't changed in almost 8 years I know of. National's website has ALWAYS been poorly organized even with all of the changes they've made over the years. I actually think it is worse now however than before. My pet peeve with ScoutStuff is that it needs to be more shopper friendly. Yes, they have a zoom feature for p

Baden, You certainly don't have to reveal this if you want, but what faith tradition do you follow? From many of the comments you've made, I'm guessing Unitarian Univeralist. I have no problem with that. I'm just wondering where you come up with ideas that mainstream Christian teachings are psuedo-Christianity. Knowing that UU draws from Christian teachings along with many other relgions, it just has me wondering if you are viewing Christianity thru that lens?

shortridge: "I'm not sure I get your point re: LDS. The church has adopted Boy Scouts as its young men's program, and agrees to abide by BSA's values, principles, practices and rules as part of that. I don't see any comparison to AHG there." Actually, LDS didn't adopt the Boy Scout program, they ADAPTED it. There is a world of difference between those two words. There is Boy Scouting and there is LDS Boy Scouting and there are differences. Tell you what, go try to volunteer at an LDS unit and see if they allow you in. They won't. Why? Because it isn't just a scout unit, it is a prog

Second Class, Does your council not do council contingents to the HA bases? Ours does. We have a large troop and while only one or two boys come from wealthy families, the majority do not. Our troop does an annual HA trip that rotates between the bases or makes up our own. We are fortunate to have the resources to do that. But for those troops who don't have the means or the experience, any boy can sign up for a council contingent and go. Now, let me address OA. OA typically isn't expensive. A boy gets elected and completes his Ordeal and the only expense he may incur is the f

Shortridge, I could understand some people's argument about the association between the BSA and the AHG except for three other letters, LDS.

Too old for the next one? I'm unaware of an age limit for staff.

Pack, that sounds like an excellent idea. Baden, I'd actually like to see you address AHGnBSAMom's comments and questions instead of making baseless accusations. Saying that you've read their materials and you know first hand doesn't really cut it. You're going to have to document your claims of propaganda and psuedo-Christianity if you want to be taken seriously. What specifically can you provide as evidence that a reasonable and objective person could look at and be convinced of your argument?

For cost containments sake, our troop has a set dollar limit for food on campouts. That has changed over time as food prices has gone up. Every patrol has the same amount per person to make thier food purchase. Each patrol makes their own menu. Each patrol makes their grocery list and one boy serves as grubmaster to go do the shopping. This skill is taught to them by their Troop Guides when they are in the new scout patrol. The adults work under the same dollar amount as the boys. We always eat better than the boys. From time to time they complain. The answer always is, Mr. Soandso or