Jump to content


  • Content Count

  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won


Everything posted by Sentinel947

  1. It's the same way in the Corporate Sector. Lots of people sitting on multiple boards, whether it's for profit or non-profit orgs.
  2. I mean, yea. I paid $17.5 for one night at Pickett State park in Tennessee, + $5 for a backcountry permit in the Big South Fork National Park. Overall it was $21.50 for 4 people for 4 nights. Monthly BSA dues are starting to become as expensive as the outing itself.
  3. I could see youth packs having issues fitting bear canisters, but I have a 55 liter adult pack (Osprey Exos) and I can fit a bear canister inside of it with 4-5 days of food and gear. I've gone pretty far down the ultralight, minimalist rabbit hole, so that may not be everybody's experience. I included a picture from my 2019 Lost Creek Wilderness Trip. I'm the one with the black and green pack. Certainly in late spring, summer, and early fall when extra clothing needs are limited, fitting a bear canister in a pack has a higher chance of success. I'm not an expert on bears, but in late fall, winter, early spring, depending on local bear hibernation patterns, going back to a sub optimal food hang is probably just fine. Another option for the canister is that while hiking it can be emptied out and lashed to the outside of the pack, and the food can be carried in stuff sacks inside the pack. That helps work around the dead zones inside the pack that the inflexible canister creates.
  4. I've almost broken down and started just using a bear canister on every trip. I hate the weight and bulk, but the more I've backpacked, the more I hate hanging bear bags. That seems to be the conclusion Skurka has already come to.
  5. Can't make an edit, this isn't close to Cumberland Gap, was actually going to Big South Fork National Park..
  6. That's not entirely correct unless something has changed since 2013. https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2012/04/30/active/#:~:text=The Scout must meet the unit's reasonable expectations for activity.&text=noteworthy circumstances that have prevented,taken hold and been exhibited. If the unit fails to uphold a consistent standard then yes, the default is effectively, "Dues paying"= Active.
  7. I actually drove through Burnside on my way to Cumberland Gap National Park a few week ago. Myself and a few buddies, all former Scouts, had never heard of Burnside's Scouting's connection and..... we didn't even consider stopping. Only thing we saw was a sign. That being said, that area is a hotbed of Southern KY tourism.. The Red River Gorge/Daniel Boone National Forest is nearby, as is the Big South Fork, and Lake Cumberland.
  8. Clarke Green at ScoutmasterCG had a similar solution. I cannot find the Podcast/Blog Post that had it, you're welcome to look: https://scoutmastercg.com/ More or less, he had patrols in his troop sign up in 3 month increments. Still one meeting a week, one outing a month. Patrols would form based on attendance, interest and availability for outings. This would ensure that the active scouts always had a cohesive patrol to participate in. Scouts who needed to be away from the Troop for sports or another activity would be in a "inactive" patrol. His troop had modeled this based off the academic/sports calendar for the local school system. I don't recall if he kept the usual 6 month terms, or went to 3 month terms for other Troop PORs. It's a great idea, and I'd encourage my Scouts to adopt a system like that if I was a Scoutmaster/still involved in a troop.
  9. Unless you were a Scout in 1915-1924, you weren't involved in the original Lone Scouts program before it merged with the BSA. What you participated in was either a modern regional/local variation, whether BSA official or unofficial. Not sure, maybe you can tell us more about how you got involved in it. Based one what I've read, heard from older Scout volunteers, and what's supporting materials available from the BSA, what you participated in is not the typical Lone Scouts Program. You are in a sense, contradicting all other known sources of information, and making claims I am unable to verify. Your Lone Scouts experience is likely truthful, but that doesn't mean I should take it as representative of how Lone Scouting works everywhere, particularly when it contradicts every other source of information I have on the program. Your points about the program being for rural as well as urban youth is spot on. Therefore no, I haven't heard anything like that from you, and I didn't claim that I did, nor did I quote you, or use any of your comments in mine.
  10. The 6th edition is highly regarded. I'm also partial to the ninth edition since I have a copy signed by the author. Wish the original owner hadn't drawn on it. You can also find the 1st edition BSA book or Baden Powells original "Scouting for Boys" online for free if you want a good peek at Scouting and life in pre WWI period.
  11. @dkurtenbachs post brings up an interesting question to me. What are our goals for Scouting? What do we want youth to get out of Scouting? Lone Scouting and the Scouts BSA program have different outcomes based on their structure. Lone Scouting is more about individual growth in the context of youth to parent activities. Mainstream Scouting's outcomes are based mostly on individual growth in the context of peer to peer involvement, with some youth to adult interactions. There's pros and cons to each and these are fundamental differences. As mentioned, Scouts BSA involves heavy volunteer support, and units either fail to recruit volunteers, or quality volunteers are not interested or not available. Beyond a lack of interested youth, a lack of qualified, quality volunteers is the Achilles heel of the Scouts BSA program. Units with strong adult volunteer groups will run attractive growth filled programs, and will have plenty of youth and adult volunteers. As the adult leadership decays, so does the Troop program, and so does the interest of youth joining. I personally have no need for lone Scouting if I have kids. It's the same reason I'd have no need for "Family Scouting." I can get them in the outdoors, learning new things and experiencing cool places, without paying the BSA anything. I'd put them in Scouting because I want them to have that involvement with other youth, and to benefit from the mentorship of other adult volunteers. I'm willing to pay for that, the same way I'd be willing to pay for Band, theater, sports, or church youth group. I'm entirely unwilling to pay for something that I can do myself for free. I can see where some Scouts and some parents, Lone Scouting would meet their needs and goals and that's fine. A significant chunk of the Scouting program (IE, what's in the Scout Handbook and Merit Badge program) can be delivered by just the parents to their Scout. When I reflect on my Scouting experiences from my youth, I don't often think about what I learned in my merit badges, or what I did for rank advancement. I think about time spent with my friends, in my patrol, practicing teamwork and leadership. Those shared experiences with my friends is the true value in Scouting for me. Seriously offering Lone Scouting is a neat option, and it'd be low overhead for national to run, so why not give it a shot? It wouldn't cost much, would appeal to Homeschooling Families or people in areas not served by Scouting. Most of us here think that Scouting offers something to young people (socialization, leadership skills, conservation ethics, outdoor skills, life skills). Our goal should be to bring a high quality Scouting experience to as many youth as possible. For better or worse, the BSA is the vehicle we are stuck with if we want to fulfill the "as many as possible" part. Lone Scouting doesn't check all those boxes, but it's definitely something. As for the success or failure of the BSA I always go to the mission statement. "The mission of the Boy Scouts of America is to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Law." This is extremely hard to measure quantitatively, but not all things worth doing can be measured by quantitative metrics.
  12. I don't disagree. I'm sure the AG thinks that she's going to strike a big blow against 2A advocacy, but that money is just going to move to other 2A orgs if she dissolves the NRA. Modern day Pyrrhus. Accidentally, she's doing Gun Owners a favor, because that money is currently being blown on expensive suits and vacations, rather than campaigning for gun rights, or paying lawyers to find solid cases to challenge laws.
  13. PP and Abortion are protected by the courts interpretation of the 14th Amendment. Not the 1st. The AG of NY looking into the NRA may be politically motivated, but the charges are not. It's been well known among NRA members for a long time that LaPierre has been helping himself to donor funds, which is illegal. Maybe all charities do this, and just don't get caught, but I find that unlikely. Wayne gets paid a nice salary, and felt the need to help himself to even more NRA member money, money that WE NRA members pay so that they'll challenge unconstitutional gun laws. Then the NRA comes back crying poor. Many gun owners are disgusted and have found better run 2A advocacy groups to support with their money.
  14. I remember seeing similar articles about Sex abuse in LA schools. Seems like the Lawyers are all over them. https://www.taylorring.com/practice-areas/sexual-abuse-sexual-assault/sexual-abuse-in-schools/sex-abuse-in-lausd/#:~:text=Over the past few years,other LAUSD employees and contractors. Seriously, this whole situation stinks. There's a balancing act between compensating victims, prosecuting abusers, and holding institutions accountable. It's a terrible tragedy, and nobody is going to come away from it happy. The victims can't get their lives back no matter how much money they get, the people who rely on the institutions have lost trust and tax money/donations. It's harsh stuff.
  15. Depends on the state. New York's is at least consistent, in that it allows public as well as private entities to be sued, but as they were debating the statue change, public organizations were exempt to start. They were lambasted and relented, but that won't always be the case.
  16. They'll just exempt government entities.
  17. My local Camp- Camp Friedlander just finished their day camp program for the summer. Seems like it went well, and the scouts and staff had a good and safe time.
  18. Still can be stressful. You seem like a smart, thrifty and well prepared individual. You'd likely do well regardless of UI. A few co-workers of mine were furloughed. They ended up making more money on UI than I was making working. (I live a LCOL area.) I was kept on, doing twice the work I normally would, but I was grateful because I knew: 1.) The extra federal money for unemployment would eventually end or be modified. 2.) Furloughs can easily become permanent layoffs. 3.) I like what I do, and with the virus out, I wouldn't do the social things I did to entertain myself like I did when I was laid off in 2018. Even that was a stressful experience, and I was only laid off for about 8 weeks, during a good economy, with no pandemic. This week it was announced that half the furloughed members of my team would return, the other half would be laid off. I'm glad I didn't have to deal with that stress, and I got to pick up some new skills and have a shake up to the normal work I do. Plus now I have a ton of built up vacation to use, and the clock keeps toiling on my vesting for the company retirement plan.
  19. @CynicalScouter is dead on. I think this site uses Google Ads. I consistently get ads for products I'm researching that are unrelated to Scouting or my discussions here.
  20. Hard to make recommendations when we have no idea how these changes will be implemented.
  21. Which will mean whatever they want it to mean. It never made sense to have youth and adults overlap in the program as participants, but here we are, so now they need to create a reasonable transition period where current 18-20 year old who have been promised positions can fulfill those, while providing a worthwhile path for current youth to transition into meaningful adult roles. Becoming an ASM at 18 was one of the best decisions I've ever made. It helped me develop my own leadership skills and decision making more than my undergraduate degree. The transition was challenging, and there was absolutely no guidance from national on how to make that work other than follow YPT, which is obvious. I was lucky my Troops adult leadership were open minded and desperately in need of somebody who understood the program. With the changes the BSA has made to require adults to be 21 to count for two deep leadership, I don't see much of a necessary role for an 18-20 year old to play in a Troop. Unless the Troop creates space for those young adults to volunteer and has clear vision for how the strengths and weaknesses of a typical 18-20 year old fit into their corps of adult volunteers. Most troops struggle to even figure out how to get the youth leaders to lead, let alone mix in a college age adult volunteers.
  22. I think Churchill is the name of the consulting company that made the report.
  23. I don't get how this is too much different. I can already rent campsites at my local scout camp for private use. I'm not sure how big the market is for a monthly membership to a campground. It's almost like a timeshare. 🤢. A gym membership is different, people will always pay monthly or annually for use of a gym facility.
  24. I mean original boy scout uniforms were basically surplus/copies of US Army uniforms from the time period. Rugged, cheap, practical, looked good. Now the uniforms are overpriced, lack durability, are considered tacky at best.
  25. Given most council's lack of interest in supporting Venturing, I can only imagine a Rovers program is dead on arrival. Councils might have an interest in using a volunteer corps if it can help supplement the decline of free OA labor in supporting council properties. I think that's a tremendous waste of potential. It'd also overlap with Alpha Phi Omega, which is redundant. Personally I'd love to see the Volunteer corps become more unit facing than just Council facing. A young adult volunteer corps is going to have a range of availability, experience and skill sets. A unit might need help with planning an event, conducting a training of youth/adult leaders, providing specific outdoors skills training or may be short on adults for an outing. They can contact the volunteer corps and get somebody from that group to help meet that need. I know that overlaps with the Commissioner corps, but there aren't enough Commissioners as it is, and frankly to steal @Stosh's term, many of the Commissioner corps are "Parlor Scouters" they are past the point of active outdoor unit participation, either by desire or physical limitation. On a council level, the volunteer corp can help provide support/leadership for camporees, Jambo contingent leadership, additional volunteer support for Summer camps. In a sense you are taking some of the finest young adult Scouting talent in a council, and making them available to units throughout the council on a project by project basis. This makes even more sense as councils may be looking to streamline their district professionals and volunteers in the coming years. As somebody in that 18-29 age group, I'd be totally interested in participating and helping lead something like that. Having a purposeful opportunity to volunteer with some friends and assist units in putting together great programs sounds like a lot of fun. Even better if I don't have to make a long term commitment to a unit in order to do so. But every program requires a staff advisor, and I doubt there will be much of an appetite in most councils to oversee such a program as professional resources become more scarce and job responsibilities expand.
  • Create New...