RichardB

http://www.scouting.org/Home/HealthandSafety/incident_report.aspx contains everything you need to know about incident reporting but were afraid to ask. Please notifiy the camp director and scout execuitve as soon as possible with your concerns. Don't have to fill out a form but a clear recording of the who, what, when, why and where is needed.

If you are not using the handbooks, how are your running the scouting program?

Or Col. you could as suggested open the key program document of the boy scout program. The Handbook, Patrol Leaders Guide, etc. No where would you find instruction to bring along your sister.

In the link provided to the GTSS there is also this statement: "..If a well-meaning leader brings along a child who does not meet these age guidelines, disservice is done to the unit because of distractions often caused by younger children. A disservice is also done to the child, who is not trained to participate in such an activity and who, as a nonmember of the group, may be ignored by the older campers..." I'd suggest that a 14 year old female sibling might be just as distracting.....

The OP is "I am assuming" talking about the current single gender boy scout program of the BSA. Outside of family camping (this was not in the OP called a family camp - it was a troop campout) there is not a provision for the daughter of the ASM. So more questions - did the PLC approve this? (OP is ask your SPL after all) or is she providing programming? Still can't see how this is part of any official scouting activity. Quaze, that use of the barriers to abuse is really out there. I don't think I've ever seen it pitched that way....

Other than the obvious fact that this is not the scouting program? Or asked another way, what Boy Scouts literature or handbook is this in and what page it it on?

It's a transition period. Until POTUS's authorization is recieved the signiture won't be present. No conspiracy. And your council should have recieved that info already if you would have asked.

The Risk Management Team has facilitated two additional training pieces for Scouters to use to prepare to transport Scouts Safely in addition to the Risk Zone: Transporting Scouts Safely. 15 Passenger Van Training is a short self-guided slide show. As a reminder: Pre-2005 15-passenger vans are not authorized for Scouting activities. Also, new is the Hartford Insurance Companies Driver Improvement Program which can be found on the BSA Learn Center, under Expanded Learning – Scouting U suggests the following: For BSA Learn Center – Members: To begin your Program Safety tr

The Cub Scout program by design has limits. Example, Cubs camp at council approved locations (for Pack Overnighters) or at council run programs, day hikes okay, but not treking, paddles on calm water but not float trips. It's a pretty consistent message. The guide document is a reflection of the PROGRAM of the BSA. So, what book are you in? What page are you on? are two good questions to ask if you want to find out if you are really running the program of the BSA. So, to the OP, Can you find it in a Webelos Adventure? If not, why not start there for some other alternativ

Stosh, if a female is along it's co-ed.....both male and female leadership required for overnights. The barrier is highlighted above. Yes, historically it started in Venturing, but that barrier is no longer program specific.

FAQ's....http://www.scouting.org/Home/HealthandSafety/TourPlanFAQ.aspx Q. Has all literature been updated to reflect this change? A. Key documents are either updated or in the process of being updated. Other literature will be updated in the normal revision cycle so it may take several years to complete. If you find something to be updated feel free to let us know with the “Got Questions†link to the left. Advancement materials are in the process of update....

This is addressed in BSA's barriers to abuse - Adult Supervision/Coed Activities Male and female adult leaders must be present for all overnight coed Scouting trips and outings, even those including parent and child. Both male and female adult leaders must be 21 years of age or older, and one must be a registered member of the BSA. Not sure how this is not clear. Link: http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/GSS/gss01.aspx#a

http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/Resources/MedicalFormFAQs.aspx The very first FAQ is the "why" answer to your question. If you want to go exploring what the medical profession considers a good exam, I'd suggest researching what folks like the American Academy of Pediatrics suggest for youth. And don't forget that the pre-participation exam also applies to adults as well as youth.

Scoutbook is the official application.

http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/GSS/gss03.aspx Contains more detail that the chart. For Cubs, they are both council organized camps.

Interesting tales of woe. On the other hand, kiddo whose parents had a prayer circle (to determine if he was going) while we were loading for his first year of camp got homesick. His PL loaned his cell to call home each night prior to taps. Kid had a blast at summer camp, first time away from home. I found out about the calls about night three. PL said it was under control. Who was I to argue. He joined a Ship a year ago when he aged out of Boy Scouts. RichardB PS: What would the response here be if "National" banned cell phones?

Never had a troop policy in 6 years as a SM. Set the example for use an adult (see shouldn't we teach adulting thread), expected same from youth. They are tools, learn to use them. Probably a few occassions where grumpy SM suggested this wasn't time or place for use. Have watched an SPL organize, reorganize and complete projects solely by txt and on the fly txting faster than I could think. Guess its all in your perspective of being a control freak. RichardB

I'm curious if the prior zero policy also applied to adults as well?

Send me a message with the particulars. If you want to know if you are the "one".

Did you ever think that running it as designed, with an experienced leader would lead to a good outcome, which for a Lion would be transition into a Tiger, a successful summer program, etc........ Part of the program is to not overwhelm the parents of said Lion. Don't have the minimums to run it right, yep, just say no and focus instead on your internal challenges - that sounds like a good plan. No need to blame others nor is there a need to assume just becuase someone sits in a different seat today than he or she did a few years back, doesn't mean they don't have a clue.

Yep, that would be running the program as it was designed.

But Chadamus, didn't you just respond with this post? I wouldn't be dissapointed with yourself. As to me, my response is it's an interesting thread, I like how the OP was Tour Permit (went away in 2011) and now this post is Tour Plan (Went away in 2012). The assumptions seen in the thread are all over the place, and anyone with a dissenting opinion or not into bashing BSA, National, Councils really doesn't get heard. See no reason to respond further for risk of being called names. Like pedantic. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pedantic Actually had to look it up, if we

NJ, I don't know why the posts in this thread exist. Live and current FAQ's: http://www.scouting.org/sitecore/content/Home/HealthandSafety/TourPlanFAQ.aspx RichardB PS: Tour permits went away in 2011....the Tour Plan went away in 2012...Guess we have to wait and see what happens on the 1st. I still love this one....http://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2013/04/01/blade-length/

Stosh, respectfully, The ARC has not taught a course on "behalf" of the BSA. The ARC teaches ARC courses. The current position of the BSA and its relationship to ARC is listed in the link above, that relationship affords councils, leaders the ability to become ARC instructors and to teach ARC courses at a discount, but following ARC criteria and standards. The ARC Wilderness and Remote First Aid Course can be offered by an ARC instructor so qualified. You may wish to contact your council training folks if you want to put together a course in your area, see if there are qualifed instru

BSA does not teach WFA, it never has. The course curriculum has been adopted by both American Red Cross and ECSI. We have worked with both to build instructor capacity in local councils. ARC info: http://www.scouting.org/HealthandSafety/amredcross.aspx ECSI Info: http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/Training/ECSI.aspx To teach the course, one needs to be either an ARC or ECSI instructor. So, if you are an ARC instructor, add it on. And fundimentally, the WFA course helps those running trek and high adventure backcountry camps meet both BSA NCAP and