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@ScoutTN welcome to scouter.com

Our scouts average 2 showers a week and only if we remind them.

@@et2e , welcome to scouter.com

That Knowledge is Good to know.

Well I would do it for the prizes, but ....the patch is not BSA logo compliant as @@Col. Flagg provided link in another topic. Not Scouting Red or Blue.

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/news/20170627/1000-plus-girl-scouts-descend-on-wv-for-jamboree ... Through a partnership with the National Boy Scouts of America, the Girl Scouts of Black Diamond Council are able to host this year’s Jamboree for Girl Scouts across the nation at a facility Brown refers to as, “the Disney of camp grounds.†For the five days 1100 Girl Scouts spend at the Summit, they will get to explore the Mountain State’s wilderness through activities like kayaking, paddle-boarding, hiking and zip-lining. They’ll also hear from educators, like scientists and researchers from NASA and the Environmental Protection Agency. The trick, according to Kathy Storage, camp and travel manager for the Girl Scouts of Black Diamond, is to offer all the educational experiences “in a fun way!†More info at source link above. P.S. The girl and adult fee is $300 per person if a $30 non-refundable deposit is made by December 16; if you opt to make a deposit; the balance is due in three $90 installments on March 31, April 30, and May 31, 2017. After Dec. 16, the event fee will be $330 a person until the May 31st final event deadline. The price includes admission, tents, cots, basic meals, activity equipment, program supplies, facilitator support and a patch. Note: To register at this price, the troop/group must have at least have the following adult:girl ratios: 2 adults for every 16 Girl Scout Juniors (4th-5th graders) + 1 adult to each 1-8 additional Juniors; 2 adults for 20 Girl Scout Cadettes (6th-8th graders) + 1 adult for each additional 1-10 Cadettes; 2 adults for 24 Girl Scout Seniors (9th-10th graders) + 1 adult for each additional 1-12 Seniors; 2 adults for 24 Girl Scout Ambassadors (11th-12th graders) + 1 adult for each additional 1-12 Ambassadors. Registration link below http://forgirls.girlscouts.org/travel/jamboree-at-the-summit/

I agree with the first paragraph but for different reasons. My point, if the BSA did not want a coed youth program in the future, then they should have kept all-male leadership. But the BSA could not attract those males because, IMO, the ill-conceived, and later overturned, program changes made at that time. So with trained female leaders, coed scout programs will follow. Your second paragraph, I agree somewhat. I would like to know the percentage of adult leaders today (1million+) who were scouts. Then compare that percentage with 1950, 60, 70, 80, 90, 2000, Back in the day, my troop had only one adult leader, an ASM, who had been a scout. The rest of the men in my troop, there were no women, had considerable outdoor and military experience. There appears to be a considerable number of trained female leaders now and there are also too many former scouts (80's and 90's), now adults, using troop method.. IMO, Boy Scout membership continues to decline due to a program which lacks the adventure of old and access to the largest youth pool - public schools. Note coed, secular 4H, Boys & Girls, school outdoor clubs, and STEM scouts have access to public schools. My $0.02,

@@Robynatk welcome to scouter.com , I wish it had been under happier circumstances. Could you tell us about the other adult leaders and their training, in particular the Pack Committee. Were you an adult leader? Who is your Charter Organization?

@@Thunderbird48 welcome to scouter.cpm Good question.

@@SouthernTierScouter welcome to scouter.com

After our visiting BSA scout sings I'm a Little Teapot, you are next.

Saves on name engraving.

FYI @@Cambridgeskip , I deleted your duplicate post

For rifles,not common. It would be like having names for hammers or pliers. Cars are another matter. Many of my cars had names - Mean Machine, the BatteredMobile. Davy Crockett called one of his rifles Old Betsy. Old Marines are more likely to know the serial numbers of their issued M-1 or M-14 rifles than their marriage anniversary or wife's birthday.

Sorry, IMO no exceptions, It means my sons would not earn Eagle. Nothing wrong with that, they are good scouts and will be good men. Old school, real world.

I foresee the anti-coed faction making it very hard for girls to earn Eagle, maybe even restoring the pull-up requirements in Personal Fitness. Great, because I will be there demanding the same high-bar AGAIN for boys. No more 300lb Eagle Scouts, no more Eagles who can't tie bowlines, etc., But, but, but, what about alternate requirements. Good-bye. All Eagles will have passed the same requirements. Old school. My grumpy $0.01

Maybe these girls want to make the Boy Scouts manly again? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5Ib3t5r4oI

Plus push notifications that MB requirements have changed or corrections have been made to pamphlet. Green too.

Can't say that I have heard of any scouts getting booted from the BSA or being denied Eagle because they were gay n the past year or so.

I think National has seen that single-sex youth group memberships have declined continuously for years - Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, while coed youth groups like Boys & Girls Club, 4-H have increased.

Assuming you have money trees around... I would purchase an arduino (or raspberry pi 3) starter kit or two, buy some protoboards (connect components either parallel or series,) and extra parts kits (leds. jumpers, motors, buzzer, sensors, switches,..). Boy scouts would do the programming and Webs would wire protoboards accordingly. https://www.amazon.com/Arduino-Ultimate-Starter-Circuit-Learning/dp/B00BT0NDB8 https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B01KFQE29S/ezvid02-20 https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B01EWNUUUA/ezvid02-20 https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B01CS6UMKQ/ezvid02-20 https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/12001 http://www.robotshop.com/en/arduino-kits.html https://www.adafruit.com/ Google and you will find tons of stuff. This approach while expensive could be re-used for merit badge work and it draws in the techie parents. Plan B: use the protoboards and components above but manually connect a battery to power circuits. My $200,

"What is best for my child" is often confused with "What my child needs most". At 18, childhood ends with no redo. Are you prepared if your son says "I was in scouts and wanted to earn Eagle but my father..." My $0.02

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/columnists/johnklein/john-klein-zbase-in-skiatook-will-join-elite-national-group/article_d907dcce-d61e-5a80-b62e-a03176f516e6.html The Jack Zink Adventure Base (ZBASE) may soon join an elite list of nationally significant adventure camps for the Boy Scouts of America. “That’s the plan,†said Scott Thiessen, assistant director of support services for the Indian Nations Council. “We think this adventure base will eventually draw Scouts from all over the country.†The Indian Nations Council of the Boy Scouts of America recently completed a $28 million fundraising campaign to build a premier outdoor base at the Zink Scout Ranch near Skiatook Lake. “This is going to be a different type of adventure camp, a unique approach for us,†said Indian Nations Council Executive/CEO Bill Haines. “We will make this a camp with a very diverse type of adventures. We want this to be a place where youth can have a lot of different experiences.†... ZBASE, which potentially will join the BSA HA group, plans to be a far different adventure for Boy Scouts from around the country. During the weeklong adventure at ZBASE, Boy Scouts will rotate through about 11 different adventures located on the ranch that has about 30,000 acres. About 13,000 acres will actually be in use as part of the base. The programs include: aerial adventure (sky trail, climbing), ATV course, base camp (jet skis, sailboats, scuba, kayak, canoe, fishing), cable wake park (wake boarding), extreme wilderness survival, mountain bike course, Native American adventure (Native American culture, horse riding), racing center (high-speed go-kart racing), sporting clays challenge, treehouses, ZBASE Ninja course (based on the “Ninja Warrior†television show) and Turkey Creek Canyon (a Western village). Campers will travel between the various adventures by ATV, canoes, boats, bikes and other modes of transportation. When completed, the base will include the longest zip line in Oklahoma, a 50-foot climbing wall, the largest wake park in the state, one of the most challenging wilderness bike trails in Oklahoma, a go-kart race track complete with pits, an 18-station sporting clays course, three treehouses connected by a ropes course, black-powder muzzle-loading firearms and sarsaparilla available in an Old West town. Kids will be housed in various facilities including yurts, treehouses, Adirondacks cabins and a western village. Located less than 30 minutes from downtown Tulsa, (An hour from Tulsa airport!!) ZBASE is expected to attract not only Scouts but also adult leaders during yearlong educational programs. ... Hmm $28 million fundraiser, how much did Summit cost?

You missed my point. What if your kids like the program and new members, you would force your kids to leave? Often with parenting, seemingly simple black and white decisions are more complicated. My son enjoyed Venturing, I endured it for him.

I follow where my kids interests are. I was not keen about Venturing, but there I was.