RememberSchiff

To me, it would make more sense if the red vs green were indeed opposites. If green = posts which one agrees, likes or finds helpful, the red should = posts which one disagrees, dislikes or does not find helpful. 

 

The means for reporting a post as malicious, off-topic or spam should be the "report" button.

 

How you describe the current set up, it invites confusion and inappropriate (by your definition) use. Also it makes the "report" button redundant.

 

My 2c.

SOP on other forums where I am a member. Those forums tally member positive or negative "reps" under member icon.

The closest my old troop came to selling fireworks was having us scouts sell Olin road flares door-to-door. 

@ScoutTN  welcome to scouter.com

Our scouts average 2 showers a week and only if we remind them.

@@et2e , welcome to scouter.com

Well, there is probably some little-known codicil in the Faber College constitution, I mean the BSA rules and regulations, that allows the CSE to waive all that. I mean, his signature is on the thing...

That Knowledge is Good to know.

Well I would do it for the prizes, but ....the patch is not BSA logo compliant as @@Col. Flagg provided link in another topic. Not Scouting Red or Blue. 

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/news/20170627/1000-plus-girl-scouts-descend-on-wv-for-jamboree

...

Through a partnership with the National Boy Scouts of America, the Girl Scouts of Black Diamond Council are able to host this year’s Jamboree for Girl Scouts across the nation at a facility Brown refers to as, “the Disney of camp grounds.â€

For the five days 1100 Girl Scouts spend at the Summit, they will get to explore the Mountain State’s wilderness through activities like kayaking, paddle-boarding, hiking and zip-lining. They’ll also hear from educators, like scientists and researchers from NASA and the Environmental Protection Agency.

The trick, according to Kathy Storage, camp and travel manager for the Girl Scouts of Black Diamond, is to offer all the educational experiences “in a fun way!â€

More info at source link above.

P.S.

The girl and adult fee is $300 per person if a $30 non-refundable deposit is made by December 16; if you opt to make a deposit; the balance is due in three $90 installments on March 31, April 30, and May 31, 2017. After Dec. 16, the event fee will be $330 a person until the May 31st final event deadline.

The price includes admission, tents, cots, basic meals, activity equipment, program supplies, facilitator support and a patch.

Note: To register at this price, the troop/group must have at least have the following adult:girl ratios: 2 adults for every 16 Girl Scout Juniors (4th-5th graders) + 1 adult to each 1-8 additional Juniors; 2 adults for 20 Girl Scout Cadettes (6th-8th graders) + 1 adult for each additional 1-10 Cadettes; 2 adults for 24 Girl Scout Seniors (9th-10th graders) + 1 adult for each additional 1-12 Seniors; 2 adults for 24 Girl Scout Ambassadors (11th-12th graders) + 1 adult for each additional 1-12 Ambassadors.

Registration link below

http://forgirls.girlscouts.org/travel/jamboree-at-the-summit/

This is reflective of "one" of my concerns. I believe the boy run or patrol method (which ever you want to call it) took a big hit when females were brought in at the troop level. Not because they were female, but because they were a large portion of the adult membership without a youth scouting experience. In my experience, troops of adult leaders with a youth scouting experience have a three year jump on adults without that experience. Scouters with experience simply know how to apply the game to the purpose. Scouters without experience tend focus too much on the purpose and loose the fun of the game.

 

I believe going coed with increase the percentage of unexperienced scouters even farther and push the benefits of patrol method even farther out of the program. Ideally the young women will eventually become scout leaders of the future and percentage of experienced scouters will grow. But I believe that is twenty years down the road and the program will be so watered down by then, Patrol method will be little more than the small groups the scouts are placed in. The benefit of experiences for making independent choices without outside influence will be gone. 

 

To survive, the program will reshape itself so that the youth are having fun and want to continue scouting. But I see the impact of the character growth side of the present program greatly diluted. 

 

Some folks here believe resistance of change is base more from tradition than performance. Being conservative because they are conservative in nature. But learning life by experiencing life is a method of teaching in simple program of outdoor activities is the heart the program, not the outdoors activities themselves. The fear of progressive changes isn't in the tradition of the outdoor program, but in loosing the tool for learning from experience. I have other concerns with a coed program, but if somehow I was assured that the part of the program where the scouts are given the independence of making decisions without an outside influence was still primary to the program, I would feel more ease about going coed. That would require a very strong team of professionals at National who not only understand the power of independence in the program, but the will to resist change away from it. I'm not confident that adults who prohibit carts wagons on camp outs are the right team.

 

Barry

I agree with the first paragraph but for different reasons. My point, if the BSA did not want a coed youth program in the future, then they should have kept all-male leadership. But the BSA could not attract those males because, IMO, the ill-conceived, and later overturned, program changes made at that time. So with trained female leaders, coed scout programs will follow.

Your second paragraph, I agree somewhat. I would like to know the percentage of adult leaders today (1million+) who were scouts. Then compare that percentage with 1950, 60, 70, 80, 90, 2000, Back in the day, my troop had only one adult leader, an ASM, who had been a scout. The rest of the men in my troop, there were no women, had considerable outdoor and military experience.

There appears to be a considerable number of trained female leaders now and there are also too many former scouts (80's and 90's), now adults, using troop method..

IMO, Boy Scout membership continues to decline due to a program which lacks the adventure of old and access to the largest  youth pool - public schools. Note coed, secular 4H, Boys & Girls, school outdoor clubs, and STEM  scouts have access to public schools.

My $0.02,

@@Robynatk welcome to scouter.com , I wish it had been under happier circumstances.

Could you tell us about the other adult leaders and their training, in particular the Pack Committee. Were you an adult leader? Who is your Charter Organization?

@@Thunderbird48 welcome to scouter.cpm

Good question.

@@SouthernTierScouter welcome to scouter.com

After our visiting BSA scout sings I'm a Little Teapot, you are next.

 I have a rifle and a shotgun at home - the rifle is a Remington, the shotgun is a Winchester.  I've named my rifle Winchester and have named my shotgun Remington.

Saves on name engraving.

FYI @@Cambridgeskip , I deleted your duplicate post

For rifles,not common. It would be like having names for hammers or pliers. Cars are another matter. Many of my cars had names - Mean Machine, the BatteredMobile.

Davy Crockett called one of his rifles Old Betsy.

Old Marines are more likely to know the serial numbers of their issued M-1 or M-14 rifles than their marriage anniversary or wife's birthday. 

Sorry, IMO no exceptions, It means my sons would not earn Eagle. Nothing wrong with that, they are good scouts and will be good men. Old school, real world.

Schiff, I think you're using an outlier to make your point.  I think it's equally likely, maybe more so, that co-ed scouting turns into something much more like this, https://www.ispot.tv/ad/wdC0/2017-volkswagen-alltrack-that-feeling-puddle-song-by-grouplove.  

I foresee the anti-coed faction making it very hard for girls to earn Eagle, maybe even restoring the pull-up requirements in Personal Fitness. Great, because I will be there demanding the same high-bar AGAIN for boys. No more 300lb Eagle Scouts, no more Eagles who can't tie bowlines, etc., But, but, but, what about alternate requirements. Good-bye. All Eagles will have passed the same requirements. Old school.

My grumpy $0.01

Maybe these girls want to make the Boy Scouts manly again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5Ib3t5r4oI

Or an app with the pamphlets accessible that way. The new electronic pamphlets could include tutorial videos, or links to access the video via youtube which could then generate ad revenue. Lots of ways to make them 21st century.

Plus push notifications that MB requirements have changed or corrections have been made to pamphlet.  Green too.

Can't say that I have heard  of any scouts getting booted from the BSA or being denied Eagle because they were gay n the past year or so.

 (1) BSA national sees a chance to add members and money (regardless of whether I think their predictions are correct),

I think National has seen that single-sex youth group memberships have declined continuously for years - Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, while coed youth groups like Boys & Girls Club, 4-H have increased.

Assuming you have money trees around...

I would purchase an arduino (or raspberry pi 3) starter kit or two, buy some protoboards (connect components either parallel or series,) and extra parts kits (leds. jumpers, motors, buzzer, sensors, switches,..). Boy scouts would do the programming and Webs would wire protoboards accordingly.

https://www.amazon.com/Arduino-Ultimate-Starter-Circuit-Learning/dp/B00BT0NDB8

https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B01KFQE29S/ezvid02-20

https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B01EWNUUUA/ezvid02-20

https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B01CS6UMKQ/ezvid02-20

https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/12001

http://www.robotshop.com/en/arduino-kits.html

https://www.adafruit.com/

Google and you will find tons of stuff.

This approach while expensive could be re-used for merit badge work and it draws in the techie parents.

Plan B: use the protoboards and components above but manually connect a battery to power circuits.

My $200,

I didn't miss your point.  Yes I would.  My kids have plenty of interests, there isn't enough time in the year to do them all, out with one, in with another.  imo, Guiding our kids and raising them with a set of principles and doing what we believe is best for them (within reason) is part of our jobs as parents.  They'll still get instruction, they'll still get camping, they'll still get an upbringing centered around having good character, moral straightness, etc... they'll also have an example of standing up for your own set of principles. If at 18, they decided I was wrong, and they wants to get involved in the new scouting, more power to them.  I don't think it's unreasonable for parents to want to do what is best for their children, especially when it's at the younger ages. to each their own.  

"What is best for my child" is often confused with "What my child needs most". At 18, childhood ends with no redo. Are you prepared if your son says "I was in scouts and wanted to earn Eagle but my father..."

My $0.02

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/columnists/johnklein/john-klein-zbase-in-skiatook-will-join-elite-national-group/article_d907dcce-d61e-5a80-b62e-a03176f516e6.html