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Yes, as you observed, we re-schedule or re-locate activities due to lightning where the odds are even less.

Rochester,, MA (SE Mass): The Boy Scouts Haunted Hayride event, planned for Oct. 25 and 26, will be cancelled due to the Eastern equine encephalitis threat levels. In accordance with the Boy Scouts of America Council, camping or overnight events are still cancelled until at least three hard frosts with temperatures of 28 degrees or less have passed and the mosquitos which transmit EEE and their larvae are dead. https://sippican.theweektoday.com/article/boy-scouts’-haunted-hayride-cancelled-year/44480

Okay let's refrain from personal attacks. Hopefully, tomorrow Oct 23, we will have a better understanding of BSA priorities. Thanks. RS @desertrat77 @MattR @John-in-KC

Actually it does. In 2018, that sentence of sharing information suddenly appears : share this information with Company’s current or prospective clients, customers, others with a need to know, and/or their agents for business reasons (e.g., to place me in certain positions, work sites, etc.). The other major change is the CRA is not named! Most of what I am asking appeared in 2012, the last time I signed such an authorization. Use 2012 as template, replace Lexis Nexis and contact information with new agency name (not generic CRA placeholder) and its contact information. Yes, if the BSA changes agency again, a new authorization form is required as it has been in the past. If the right thing was done instead of only "all that is legally required", all volunteers not just those in CA, OK, MN, and NY would receive copies but I can sign a 2012-style authorization and contact the new specified agency if necessary. A provision should be added that if membership is revoked or application is denied that such an inquiry should be at no cost....I know not legally required , but the right thing to do. So the BSA wants my authorization to hire one or more unspecified CRA's to disclose whatever information these CRA 's obtain without my review to persons and groups unspecified until I leave the BSA. Not happening. The BSA overreached in this, perhaps to sell my private personal information which may or may not be correct, perhaps to reduce paperwork when they change CRA's.

Yes, National discloses their membership decision ( yes or "nope, not that guy.") to Council, my unit, and let me add CO, but not the information obtained from my personal background check.

Tweezers from my Swiss army knife works for me, that and staying on the trail.

Remove this sentence "Except as otherwise prohibited by applicable law, I consent to and authorize the Company to share this information with Company’s current or prospective clients, customers, others with a need to know, and/or their agents for business reasons (e.g., to place me in certain positions, work sites, etc.). " Legally, the BSA can perform only the specific personal background checks related to YP which I consent. If I do not consent , no check is done and I am no longer a member. But if I do consent, my information (CRA, etc.) is only to be shared with me. If others want that information, they can submit a request to me stating who they are and reason. All Council and my unit need to know is National's membership decision: approved or not. I understand the BSA may revoke or approve my membership based on the information in those background checks. Either way, the BSA needs to understand I want to fact check that information (same as OK, MN, and NY folk), after all I paid for this screening with my registration fee.

IMO , it could happen. Her REAL EBOR may raise concerns over this and the appeal process takes time. She may miss the first class of female eagles deadline.

Good , remove that clause. This would give the accused and his/her attorneys time to review the CRA, any other documents , and respond. Over the years, we have had a few good people rejected for reasons unknown and no appeal. If Council knew, they were not saying. Second point, understood. If I reject their conditions, I am free to serve elsewhere. Well at least there is no "do not disparage" clause , well not in writing anyway. Where would I be then?

Not sure of the legal options, but can the BSA 1. obtain a cease and desist order against the New York assembly member and others from holding fraudulent BOR's? 2. Revoke memberships of any scouts and scouters knowingly participating in fraudulent BOR's?

The article I read including photo of EBOR. https://patch.com/new-york/southampton/young-woman-takes-next-step-eagle-scout-rank-despite-pushback "Those present for her Board of Review were NOW-NYC President Sonia Ossorio, Scout Leader Jim Nedelka, Assemblymember Harvey Epstein, NOW-NYC Board Chair, Judi Polson, and Taylor Abbruzzese, MSW, she said."

Yeah, maybe instead of red,white,blue ribbon - green and gold ribbon, like James E. West Fellowship Award knot ($1000). <--- satire

This topic is now reopened. Ms. Ireland is now over 18, an adult. OP: @Jameson76 CR: @mrkstvns @desertrat77 @MattR @NJCubScouter @John-in-KC

I have wondered if FBI's National Instant Crime Background Check System (NICS) could be extended beyond firearm purchases.

I have been very impressed with the Lithuanian Scouts Association in the Boston area . I believe they have enclaves in Chicago and a couple other US cities. Update 5/16/2020: https://lituanica.us/ Lituanicos Tuntas serves the Lithuanian Boy Scouts in the Chicagoland Area. We are chartered BSA Troop 113 of the Tall Grass District in the Pathway to Adventure Council. Our base is at the Lithuanian World Center in Lemont, Illinois.

Depending on increase, I may not submit the form. If I do, I will cross out objectionable conditions and check the box for the report. What could happen? 1. The form will be lost or go unread and National will keep registration fee and proceed regardless. Wonder if they sell my personal info to marketing companies? or 2. National drops my membership and keeps registration fee. or 3. National drops my membership and refunds my registration fee.

I would like a copy of my CRA report and any other information the BSA uses to determine my membership qualification. From the form, only MN or OK residents are provided this courtesy due to their state laws. I do NOT consent to sharing this information with any unnamed "clients, customers," who have no stated justification regarding a "need to know". https://www.hoac-bsa.org/Data/Sites/1/media/disclosure-forms/additional-disclosures-and-background-check-authorization-not-california-hoac.pdf

"The best way to learn how to not get lost is to let yourself get a little lost once in a while. " Nice story about scouts leading and adults stepping back. https://highlandscurrent.org/2019/10/15/out-there-and-the-teens-shall-lead/

Locally, we have done this with school Veterans Day observance activities. Do my duty...country .

Now that's the ticket... ....Say that's a ticket idea for aspiring WBers. With pride, I was part of a group of scouters that built a latrine. It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far,far better rest that I go to, than I have ever known. A lot of Field of Dream whisper lines during construction.

Yes, back in the day, we looked forward to our annual fall (Indian Summer) outing at scout camp - latrine and water at campsite, tent platforms, a phone up at ranger house. Luxury. IMO, if all camp fees stayed with the camp , say a separate camp cost center, camps would be self-sustaining. I remember as ASPL to book the above outing, I called camp ranger and paid fee when we arrived Friday night. No council web app, server,... Lean summer camp payroll, still CIT's did not pay for the privilege of working at camp. Thrifty. But back to the OP, for us since Cub camping is family camping , not "Council organized family camp", number of nights is a non-issue. My $0.02

Author Dr. Henry Hamrick’s relationship with Bud Schiele was established in the late 1950s and 60s at the Piedmont Boy Scout Camp on Lake Lanier near Tryon. Schiele was the chief scout executive for the Piedmont Council and directed the camp during those years. Hamrick made his first trip to Lake Lanier when he was 9 years old, and after spending a few summers there as a camper, he returned for several more as a counselor. It added up to eight consecutive years of his life that he would never forget, as he helped scouts earn merit badges by teaching skills such as swimming, lifesaving and woodworking. Schiele, a native of Philadelphia, was a self-styled naturalist and botanist who amassed an impressive collection of wildlife, rocks and minerals in the decades after he moved to Gastonia in 1924. He was 67 years old in 1961 when he used that trove to found the Gaston County Museum of Natural History, which was renamed in his honor four years later. Its opening was a culmination of a lifetime devoted to studying, cataloging and preserving nature. “A lot of my book focuses on how he came to Gastonia, how he got started, the odds he faced, and how he recruited a lot of leaders in churches and businesses to support scouting,” said Hamrick. Dr. Henry Hamrick’s book also delves into the important role that Lily Hobbs Schiele had in supporting and enhancing her husband’s endeavors, particularly with respect to honoring Native American cultures. “I think people will find that Mr. Schiele was a true leader, an organizer, and a man of great principal, and that he truly believed the Boy Scout movement was something that would help the youth of the country to become better adults,” said Hamrick. “And Mrs. Schiele was right there and on board with all of that.” “Boy Scouting in the North Carolina Foothills, 1909-1958” spans 140 pages and should be available later this month or in November. It is being distributed by Itasca Books, and interested readers can obtain a copy by calling the company at 1-800-901-3480. More at source: https://www.gastongazette.com/news/20191013/new-book-pays-tribute-to-bud-schiele-legacy-of-scouting

27 Current and former Boy Scouts from Troop 1 Southborough along with 13 adult volunteers took a “Big Trip” to Iceland in late July of 2019. Following a long-standing tradition, the scouts of Troop 1 voted for this destination in several rounds in the Winter and Spring of 2018 to take this once-every-four-years trip. The Big Trip team of five senior scouts, Anthony Zalev, Alexander Forrest, Joseph Greene, Zane Walter, and Garrett Goodney and Scoutmaster Jim Greene spent the next 14 months planning the adventure that saw the Troop camp in five different campsites and visit over 20 destinations during their 8-day adventure. Forty people made the 8-day journey that consisted of almost 5,000 miles traveled by air, 1,000 miles traveled by bus, and 70 miles travelled by foot around the beautiful country of Iceland. Our 40 adventurers camped using 25 tents in 5 separate campsites. We had 3 restaurant meals and prepared 23 meals for ourselves. We brought 6 stoves and sets of cooking equipment, we purchased two canopies in Iceland along with most of our food and consumed 24 liters of propane, 2 liters of white gas, and 2 pounds of isobutane. Our itinerary consisted of 24 activities (8 of which required a fee) and we were able to do it all for the thrifty cost of roughly $1,600 per person. Being in a foreign land with its unique topology, foods, sparse population centers, unique language, currency, and on the metric system presented a number of challenges, but it made the adventure one truly worthy of the title “Big Trip”. News story and fantastic photos: http://www.mysouthborough.com/2019/10/11/troop-1-is-eager-to-talk-about-its-iceland-adventure/ Troop 1 trip daily log with photos (pdf) <---Great read. http://www.mysouthborough.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Iceland-Troop-1-2019-Big-Trip.pdf Well done.

This was my concern. Thanks for the explanation.